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07-05-2012, 01:40 PM
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the only real threat here is a one-year offersheet. any team offering even a mega deal offersheet for multiple years will have just done the work for Poile.
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07-05-2012, 01:42 PM
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Another thing people have to bear in mind. Weber is probably going to sign to whoever he is traded to, based on the fact of the new CBA. He can get the max value if he signs immediately to whichever team he is traded to, since we do not know the cap ceiling under the new CBA.

There is no pressure on Polie in a trade scenario, only on Weber at the moment.

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07-05-2012, 01:47 PM
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I think Philly would be an OK fit, they are high on Couturier I'm sure, but for Weber I think they'd move him + Simmonds or something.

That's assuming Nashville wants to go the route of dealing him now anyway.

Gets Weber out of the Western Conference too which I assume Nashville would want.

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07-05-2012, 01:47 PM
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Just trade him. Why not? This season is tanked anyways......

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07-05-2012, 01:48 PM
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Just trade him. Why not? This season is tanked anyways......
Because we lost suter? I mean I liked him, but he's replaceable for sure.

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07-05-2012, 02:14 PM
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Would you guys hate the Canucks if Weber was offer sheeted?
I think many of us do already, WITHOUT Webs bolting there

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07-05-2012, 02:16 PM
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I doubt that. After losing Suter for nothing but lingering disappointment, there's no way Poile let's Weber go somewhere else without a sizable return. I'm all for signing Weber long-term and giving him a fat offer, both in terms of years and dollars. We need that anchor, captain, and face of the franchise.

Poile needs to use Suter leaving to light a competitive fire under Weber. He can ask Shea if wants to run away too or if he's willing to man up and lead this franchise long-term.
boom goes the dynamite. +1

thats exactly how i feel. Suter leaving had to have pissed weber/peks off, but i hope to that it sets a fire in him lead this team like he's capable.

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07-05-2012, 02:37 PM
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Because we lost suter? I mean I liked him, but he's replaceable for sure.
Really? With who?

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07-05-2012, 02:42 PM
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Really? With who?
roman josi. and other young guys getting better. and a full year of gill. plus, any acquisitions we make defensively this summer. it won't be easy, though.

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07-05-2012, 02:43 PM
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07-05-2012, 02:49 PM
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I like the Josi hype, but lets cool our jets about him replacing Suter so soon. Eventually, perhaps. He'll have to take quite the leap to reach the 40 pt plateau and eat the kind of minutes Suter did.

Back on topic, Poile better offer Weber the moon. 8 years @ 9.5M. Get it done. Lock him up this summer or trade him asap. No diddy-daddling.

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07-05-2012, 02:49 PM
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roman josi. and other young guys getting better. and a full year of gill. plus, any acquisitions we make defensively this summer. it won't be easy, though.
It will be a group effort to try and make up for the hole Suter left. Josi could be a very good d-man one day but he's just an improving young player right now. Also, the injuries will start happening at times and it's when our depth will really be tested. I'd really like to go after a Coliacovo (sp?) type of guy as a depth signing.

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07-05-2012, 03:02 PM
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Obviously we all know Josi won't be as good as Suter next year. I'm a big supporter of him, but I'm not stupid. Gill needs to be huge (pun intended). Klein needs to be Detroit series Klein. I really thought he turned a corner there. Ellis needs to be special, not a specialist. Blum needs to screw his head on straight. It will have to be a group effort, but Josi can be a massive piece of that.

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07-05-2012, 03:10 PM
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Obviously we all know Josi won't be as good as Suter next year. I'm a big supporter of him, but I'm not stupid. Gill needs to be huge (pun intended). Klein needs to be Detroit series Klein. I really thought he turned a corner there. Ellis needs to be special, not a specialist. Blum needs to screw his head on straight. It will have to be a group effort, but Josi can be a massive piece of that.
Exactly. If it one place we can afford to grow from within it's on the blueline.

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07-05-2012, 04:53 PM
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I accidently posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here as well...

One more thing that Poile must think about is the potential to have a lockout this upcoming season. Although it's not expected to be the ENTIRE season, there is a chance that it could be.

If we lose another season of hockey, Weber is a UFA Nashville gets nothing. I think Poile is going to be forced to trade Weber before a potential lockout happens, and in enough time that the other team can sign Weber to an extension.

I believe the same think happened in New Jersey when Neidermayer left. He had one year left on his deal going into the lockout. After the lockout ended and they had lsot a season, Neidermayer immediately signed with Anaheim I think.

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07-05-2012, 08:15 PM
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More evidence that Weber might be looking to be moved as he keeps the opportunity to be offer sheeted open.

@FriedgeHNIC: Shea Weber won't file for arbitration. NASH can't file, because it did last year. He remains an RFA, pending a new deal or an offer sheet.
Shea Weber won't file for arbitration because, if he does, the Predators will have the option to sign him to the arbitrator's price for two years, and they'd likely take it. So, it likely has nothing to do with keeping offer sheets an option or wanting to be moved. He likely just wants his long-term security figured out by next Summer, rather than postponing it another year.

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07-05-2012, 09:16 PM
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Shea Weber won't file for arbitration because, if he does, the Predators will have the option to sign him to the arbitrator's price for two years, and they'd likely take it. So, it likely has nothing to do with keeping offer sheets an option or wanting to be moved. He likely just wants his long-term security figured out by next Summer, rather than postponing it another year.
Incorrect.

As per 12.9.c 'Election of Term' in the CBA

- The party against whom an arbitration election was filed (i.e., the Club in Player-elected salary arbitration and the Player in Club-elected salary arbitration) shall elect in its brief whether the arbitration award shall be for a one or two-year SPC. Failure to make such an election shall be deemed to constitute an election for a one-year SPC. Notwithstanding the foregoing: (i) the Club or the Player, as the case may be, shall be entitled to elect only a one-year SPC if the Player is within one (1) year of attaining the age and experience level required for Group 3 Player status; and (ii) if the Player has attained or is within one (1) year of attaining the experience level required for Group 5 Player status and the Club has elected a two-year SPC, the Player may, at the end of the first year of such SPC, elect to void the second year of the SPC if the Player's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for the first League Year of such SPC is less than the Average League Salary for such League Year and, upon making such election, such Player shall (if he otherwise qualifies at such time) become a Group 5 Player and be entitled to the rights set out in Section 10.1(b). If the Club elects a one-year award for a Player within one (1) year of attaining the experience level required for Group 5 Player status, then at the end of that year, the Player may if he so elects, and if he qualifies, become a Group 5 Player at that time and be entitled to the rights set out in Section 10.1(b).


In other words, since Weber is due to become a unrestricted free agent at the end of next season, the longest that the team can elect to have the term of the contract is ONE YEAR. If we were doing this last year, then you would be correct because Weber would still have 2 years left as an RFA.

As I said, he is deliberately doing this so that the option to be offer sheeted is available to a team.

I think it's extremely likely, that the team he wants to go to has already contacted him and his agents about this particular option and that is he purposely making this option available to him.

Players say all the right things in public to save face all the time.
- Hamhuis did it. Said he loved the city, etc etc.... but based on his actions it's pretty clear he wanted to leave and where he wanted to go.
- Suter did it. Said he loved the city, told the GM not to worry, he'd sign... but now we're finding out that for about half the NHL season he and Parise were talking and planning this.
- Now we're hearing the same thing from Webers camp... how this was a surprise... he doesn't know what to say or do... needs time to think. Do you not think that being so close to Suter he had an idea? Look at his actions... he himself was refusing to sign. Why? Because he could likely see the writing on the wall and wanted to keep his option to leave out.

What were your presidents words of wisdom?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...." What is it when you get fooled three times?

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07-05-2012, 09:26 PM
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I could do without the Canucks fans circling our carcass at this point, at least on our own board.

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It's an open board, just like the rest of the team boards on HF. But let's be respectful of the Nashville fan base and what has been going on over the past... well... year. If you aren't specifically seeking the opinions of Nashville fans on a possible trade of Weber then I'm sure you can find a thread on a neutral board discussing Weber, Poile, and all of the nuances of the situation.

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I appreciate the positivity, but I think hoping Josi will replace Suter is stretching it to say the least.

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07-05-2012, 10:18 PM
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It's an open board, just like the rest of the team boards on HF. But let's be respectful of the Nashville fan base and what has been going on over the past... well... year. If you aren't specifically seeking the opinions of Nashville fans on a possible trade of Weber then I'm sure you can find a thread on a neutral board discussing Weber, Poile, and all of the nuances of the situation.
Thank you! I was going to post about this earlier.

While they've generally been polite and knowledgeable, it's like we can't even type "Shea Weber" without a half dozen of them coming over the pounce with what we should, could, might do with him.

This is about year 3 of the "All your players are belong to us" invasion of Canuck fans.

If there's a silver lining in Weber possibly leaving, maybe we can rid ourselves of these Canuck fans. Dang it, I just checked our roster - Colton Sissons is from BC. We're screwed...

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Incorrect.

As per [I]12.9.c 'Election of Term' in the CBA

- The party against whom an arbitration election was filed (i.e., the Club in Player-elected salary arbitration and the Player in Club-elected salary arbitration) shall elect in its brief whether the arbitration award shall be for a one or two-year SPC. Failure to make such an election shall be deemed to constitute an election for a one-year SPC. Notwithstanding the foregoing: (i) the Club or the Player, as the case may be, shall be entitled to elect only a one-year SPC if the Player is within one (1) year of attaining the age and experience level required for Group 3 Player status;...
I stand corrected. I didn't read far enough to get to the exceptions to the rule. That said, I doubt that the reason for not filing has anything to do with offer sheets. I think that you're looking too hard for "evidence" that Weber wants out, since you want him on your team, to be honest and with all due respect.


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I could do without the Canucks fans circling our carcass at this point, at least on our own board.
If it's any consolation I think he's going to stay a Pred. Was just curious to see what the thoughts were over here.

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I stand corrected. I didn't read far enough to get to the exceptions to the rule. That said, I doubt that the reason for not filing has anything to do with offer sheets. I think that you're looking too hard for "evidence" that Weber wants out, since you want him on your team.
ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

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If it's any consolation I think he's going to stay a Pred. Was just curious to see what the thoughts were over here.
You're fine man. Some of us are a bit on the end of our leash at this point. Honestly, anything could happen with Weber at this point and it wouldn't surprise me.

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