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07-05-2012, 01:48 PM
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It's hillarious.

Just because all other options are thinning in FA, everyone has changed their minds and wants semin.

You guys wouldn't of had him on the team for free during the season.
I wouldn't have wanted him at the highest cap hit on our team. I'd gladly pay him around or a little higher than what Jagr just got, though.

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After hearing an interview with Semin's agent, no thanks. It was basically a "let him play offense and none of that nonsensical defensive stuff, and let him play in all situations, or he's going to take his ball and go home to the KHL".
Well that's stupid. Don't pay attention to the narrative; Semin is a superb defensive player in addition to being an offensive catalyst.

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07-05-2012, 02:24 PM
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Well that's stupid. Don't pay attention to the narrative; Semin is a superb defensive player in addition to being an offensive catalyst.
Well then I guess I made the whole thing up for ***** and giggles. **** me.

I don't really care one way or another, but the last thing I want to see around the Flyers is a prima donna with an agent who makes Bonnie Lindros look reasonable. If Semin is none of those things and can tell his agent to **** off, then maybe he'd be a good add if the price is right.

I seriously doubt that all of those things fall into line, and Homer clears a contract or two.

PS - if he was superb offensively and defensively and a good character, wouldn't you think there would be more teams after him than Parise?

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Well then I guess I made the whole thing up for ***** and giggles. **** me.

I don't really care one way or another, but the last thing I want to see around the Flyers is a prima donna with an agent who makes Bonnie Lindros look reasonable. If Semin is none of those things and can tell his agent to **** off, then maybe he'd be a good add if the price is right.

I seriously doubt that all of those things fall into line, and Homer clears a contract or two.

PS - if he was superb offensively and defensively and a good character, wouldn't you think there would be more teams after him than Parise?
No one is saying he is a better all around player / character then Parise.

What people are saying is he should fall into the stupid, ignorant, nonsensicle sterotype that just because he is Russian he must want to be in the KHL and needs an introduction to his own zone.

He character has been brought into question, then again so has Pat Kane's.....

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No one is saying he is a better all around player / character then Parise.
Pretty sure the ******* I responded to believes so.

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What people are saying is he should fall into the stupid, ignorant, nonsensicle sterotype that just because he is Russian he must want to be in the KHL and needs an introduction to his own zone.
I don't have a problem with Russian players in the least, but when you hear someone who is paid to represent the player make comments about only wanting to play in the NHL if he's allowed to play his game, it lends some credence.

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He character has been brought into question, then again so has Pat Kane's.....
Pat Kane, really? You and I both know that he has no idea what his goalie looks like, but that has nothing to do with character.

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07-05-2012, 02:58 PM
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Pat Kane, really? You and I both know that he has no idea what his goalie looks like, but that has nothing to do with character.
No it doesn't, but punching and stealing money from a cab driver be it sober or drunk (no doubt the latter) certainly does.

The guy is a complete ******, mostly just immature, but his character is less than admirable.

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Well then I guess I made the whole thing up for ***** and giggles. **** me.

I don't really care one way or another, but the last thing I want to see around the Flyers is a prima donna with an agent who makes Bonnie Lindros look reasonable. If Semin is none of those things and can tell his agent to **** off, then maybe he'd be a good add if the price is right.

I seriously doubt that all of those things fall into line, and Homer clears a contract or two.

PS - if he was superb offensively and defensively and a good character, wouldn't you think there would be more teams after him than Parise?
There are questions about his character and drive, but he is above-average defensively. Remember when fans of other teams called Carter average or below-average defensively, when he was anything but?

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No it doesn't, but punching and stealing money from a cab driver be it sober or drunk (no doubt the latter) certainly does.

The guy is a complete ******, mostly just immature, but his character is less than admirable.
Oh, believe me -- I have no love for Patty Kane in the least. On or off the ice.

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Pretty sure the ******* I responded to believes so.



I don't have a problem with Russian players in the least, but when you hear someone who is paid to represent the player make comments about only wanting to play in the NHL if he's allowed to play his game, it lends some credence.



Pat Kane, really? You and I both know that he has no idea what his goalie looks like, but that has nothing to do with character.
And what you're also forgetting was at the time Gandler made the comments, Semin was getting 13 to 15 minutes of ice time per night. I don't have a problem with what Gandler said about playing Semin in an offensive role because that's where his strengths lie.

The way Semin was used in Washington by Dale Hunter would be like Claude Giroux being used as a third line shut down center. It would be a complete waste of what Claude brings to the table. Semin can do more than what he was given, yet Hunter wouldn't allow it.

And as for Semin being a poor defensive player, he was only one of three forwards that was a + in Washington. I know people don't like using +/- as a stat, but being only one of three forwards to be a + player indicates that his defensive game is much better than what people are making it out to be.

You're quite right about his agent though. Mark Gandler makes Bonnie Lindros seem very tame in comparison.

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07-05-2012, 03:17 PM
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And what you're also forgetting was at the time Gandler made the comments, Semin was getting 13 to 15 minutes of ice time per night. I don't have a problem with what Gandler said about playing Semin in an offensive role because that's where his strengths lie.

The way Semin was used in Washington by Dale Hunter would be like Claude Giroux being used as a third line shut down center. It would be a complete waste of what Claude brings to the table. Semin can do more than what he was given, yet Hunter wouldn't allow it.

And as for Semin being a poor defensive player, he was only one of three forwards that was a + in Washington. I know people don't like using +/- as a stat, but being only one of three forwards to be a + player indicates that his defensive game is much better than what people are making it out to be.

You're quite right about his agent though. Mark Gandler makes Bonnie Lindros seem very tame in comparison.
Semin had a really terrible year last year, including before Hunter's arrival. The Caps did better as a team when OV and Semin played less, and there's a reason for that. What they had under Bruce was Semin playing on the top line, but playing 3rd-line quality.

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07-05-2012, 03:19 PM
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There are questions about his character and drive, but he is above-average defensively. Remember when fans of other teams called Carter average or below-average defensively, when he was anything but?
Absolutely. But if his agent was sharing Semin's feelings (versus speaking for himself and not his client), and if he doesn't particularly want to play both sides of the puck, then how effective would he be?

I'm not saying he can't. I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying that if he won't work hard, won't be coached, won't do what the team needs, then he won't be a good fit and a valuable member of the Flyers.

Is that wrong?

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I'm still worried about who plays on G's other wing. I'd be willing to give Semin a try, but it would need to be 1 or 2 years.

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And what you're also forgetting was at the time Gandler made the comments, Semin was getting 13 to 15 minutes of ice time per night. I don't have a problem with what Gandler said about playing Semin in an offensive role because that's where his strengths lie.

The way Semin was used in Washington by Dale Hunter would be like Claude Giroux being used as a third line shut down center. It would be a complete waste of what Claude brings to the table. Semin can do more than what he was given, yet Hunter wouldn't allow it.

And as for Semin being a poor defensive player, he was only one of three forwards that was a + in Washington. I know people don't like using +/- as a stat, but being only one of three forwards to be a + player indicates that his defensive game is much better than what people are making it out to be.

You're quite right about his agent though. Mark Gandler makes Bonnie Lindros seem very tame in comparison.
I think you know my feelings about Dale Hunter (for some reason, I don't think I've hidden them well ), but I have to wonder what precipitated Dale's treatment of Semin. The last thing Dale has done historically is clip the wings of his offensive stars.

What he has done is demand (and generally gets) a complete buy in to the team concept by every player - from the superstar to the 13th forward and 7th defenseman - or else that player finds himself watching more of the game than playing it.

I don't know what happened in Washington, but I have to wonder if there were attitude issues from Semin and/or his agent. It's not like Dale to throw an offensive wiz in a defense only role.

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I would be okay with signing Semin under the following conditions:

1) 1-2 years MAX.
2) It's for less than 5.25M.

But even then I'd have my doubts:

1) How effective he would be at BOTH ends of the ice.
2) How will he fit into the locker room and the culture of this team.

Personally, I think he would do better on a team with a little more obscurity, where he can go about his business "behind the scenes" without feeling the pressure from the media and fans. In a city where, on the local news, hockey is punctuated with 15 second "Oh we almost forgot, the ________ won tonight... wooooo.... go _______! *shrugs* Well, that's all the time we have for you tonight. You stay classy ________." moments.

He would be eaten alive in Philadephia.

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I swear that Semin and Ovy are stoned outta their minds here in this interview ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUR3_oTb-4

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Put Semin next to giroux and on the PP, I bet those issues disappear. And it doesn't cost us any players. If he can't get a big long term deal maybe he'll take 1 year 5-6mil with philly to have a career year with giroux.

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Put Semin next to giroux and on the PP, I bet those issues disappear. And it doesn't cost us any players. If he can't get a big long term deal maybe he'll take 1 year 5-6mil with philly to have a career year with giroux.
Exactly. If you can get him 1 or 2 years at $5-5.5 million, you offer it and convince him it's his time to cash in playing with a top-5 center in the league.

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I would be okay with signing Semin under the following conditions:

1) 1-2 years MAX.
2) It's for less than 5.25M.

But even then I'd have my doubts:

1) How effective he would be at BOTH ends of the ice.
2) How will he fit into the locker room and the culture of this team.

Personally, I think he would do better on a team with a little more obscurity, where he can go about his business "behind the scenes" without feeling the pressure from the media and fans. In a city where, on the local news, hockey is punctuated with 15 second "Oh we almost forgot, the ________ won tonight... wooooo.... go _______! *shrugs* Well, that's all the time we have for you tonight. You stay classy ________." moments.

He would be eaten alive in Philadephia.
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Put Semin next to giroux and on the PP, I bet those issues disappear. And it doesn't cost us any players. If he can't get a big long term deal maybe he'll take 1 year 5-6mil with philly to have a career year with giroux.
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Exactly. If you can get him 1 or 2 years at $5-5.5 million, you offer it and convince him it's his time to cash in playing with a top-5 center in the league.
Honestly, with the cap space we have now after missing out on Parise, Suter, and Carle, I'd even be willing to offer Semin between what he made the past two seasons ($6M and $6.7M), so let's say ~$6.5M AAV on a two-year deal. If it's a one-year deal (which I'd prefer), I'd even go as high as $7M because the term still allows for flexibility and doesn't mess up next offseason's cap space. On a line and PP unit with Giroux, he's getting a minimum of 40 goals.

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As much as it is interesting and intriguing to think about Semin possibly being a Flyer ? Are there ANY reports or somewhat RELIABLE rumors anywhere that even remotely suggest the Flyers have/or that he has any interest in playing in Philly ?

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As much as it is interesting and intriguing to think about Semin possibly being a Flyer ? Are there ANY reports or somewhat RELIABLE rumors anywhere that even remotely suggest the Flyers have/or that he has any interest in playing in Philly ?
nope.. but apparently he wants to play in ****tsburgh http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pitts...burgh-penguins

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nope.. but apparently he wants to play in ****tsburgh http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pitts...burgh-penguins
He would certainly be a good fit with that offense !

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I doubt Semin would fit in with the Flyers, but it's undeniable that his shot is money.

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So it seems Semin has motivation issues, and isn't the best locker room guy. There's ways to get around that.

First, money motivates everyone. You offer him a short deal with a lot of money, 1-2 years $5m+ like Amateur Hour said. You tell him he's gonna play with one of the best playmakers, and PP specialists in the league, and he sees more $$$ at the end of his deal. The shorter term gives him less total money, keeping him from getting complacent, and allowing him to still be a relatively young FA when it's through.

Next, locker room problems don't exist when teams are winning. Players don't mope when they're on the top line scoring 40 goals next to Giroux, making $5m+ a year, and a short time away from cashing in on an even bigger contract.

EDIT: Also, here's Semin's goal stats, his on pace total for 82 games is in ()

06: 38 (40)

07: 26 (34)

08: 34 (45)

09: 40 (45)

10: 28 (35)

11: 21 (22)

So there may be decline there, or it may be time for him to switch teams. Either way, on a short term deal you aren't going to get hurt. You're also getting a guy that has scored 40, and paced for it several other times over the course of most of the season. He has the talent to flirt with 50 next to Giroux, if his skills haven't diminished.


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Honestly, with the cap space we have now after missing out on Parise, Suter, and Carle, I'd even be willing to offer Semin between what he made the past two seasons ($6M and $6.7M), so let's say ~$6.5M AAV on a two-year deal. If it's a one-year deal (which I'd prefer), I'd even go as high as $7M because the term still allows for flexibility and doesn't mess up next offseason's cap space. On a line and PP unit with Giroux, he's getting a minimum of 40 goals.
I'd rather have Doan at $5-5.5 million than Semin at $6.5-7 million.

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I'd rather have Doan at $5-5.5 million than Semin at $6.5-7 million.
Doan isn't going to come on a 1-2 yer deal though. What if you have to sign him to a 4/5 year $20/25 mil deal? That would be a 35+ contract.

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