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07-05-2012, 06:53 PM
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a pain in Diaz

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07-05-2012, 08:01 PM
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Soft as butter........

Diaz would do fine on a team with a surplus of physical DMen.

We still have Kaberle and Weber. We need a little more grit on D.
You seem to confuse soft with weak/small.
Kaberle is soft, Diaz and Weber don't shy from the corners or physical play, they're just small and not stocky like Bouillon, so they have a tougher time versus bigger guys. But they're not soft.

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07-05-2012, 08:02 PM
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I don't know how good this guy is going to be but last year, he played well enough to force the Canadiens to keep him in Montreal. In his first year playing with the Canadiens, he put up numbers that are very similar to Mark Streit’s first year in Montreal. Now, am I saying that he’s as good or better than Streit? No. What I’m saying is that the Canadiens aren’t giving him a chance to show how good he could be. I’d much rather give minutes to a young guy like Diaz than to a 38-year-old rental player like Bouillon. We need to give guys like Diaz a chance to develop. Playing 5 minutes every other game and waiting for someone to get hurt is not the way to maximize a player’s value.

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07-05-2012, 08:15 PM
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Who the **** does he think he is?
He must have read the Brendan Ranford thread.

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07-05-2012, 08:17 PM
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You seem to confuse soft with weak/small.
Kaberle is soft, Diaz and Weber don't shy from the corners or physical play, they're just small and not stocky like Bouillon, so they have a tougher time versus bigger guys. But they're not soft.
Soft, small, weak, ineffective. Any of those words fit.

Diaz is a good guy. We have too many like Diaz on D in Montreal. Diaz is better than Weber so trade him for whatever we can get.

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07-05-2012, 08:21 PM
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a pain in Diaz

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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHh

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07-05-2012, 08:23 PM
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Diaz showed more composure last year than Weber ever shown.. He is a good young player to have around..

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07-05-2012, 08:29 PM
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He was making 900k, so you think the Habs walk away if he gets awarded 1.2 or 1.3 mil? Brilliant!
It is my understanding now that he has sought arbitration the Habs offer him less than he made last year without having him become a free agent. In other words could the Habs offer $850k while Diaz asks for $1.3 million and let the arbitrator decide. At that time the Habs can make their decision whether to accept the decision or walk away.

Or did I misinterpret that.

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07-05-2012, 08:30 PM
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I laughed. Give Diaz what he wants so we get more puns!

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07-05-2012, 08:31 PM
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Soft, small, weak, ineffective. Any of those words fit.

Diaz is a good guy. We have too many like Diaz on D in Montreal. Diaz is better than Weber so trade him for whatever we can get.
Diaz and Emelin were an effective 3rd pairing until Kaberle came along and screwed everything up

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07-05-2012, 08:33 PM
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I think he filed because he was scared of an offer sheet
I'm not sure I understand. I thought the player always had the right to refuse an offer sheet? And only in the case he accepts, his team has the option to match or get compensation.

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07-05-2012, 08:37 PM
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It is my understanding now that he has sought arbitration the Habs offer him less than he made last year without having him become a free agent. In other words could the Habs offer $850k while Diaz asks for $1.3 million and let the arbitrator decide. At that time the Habs can make their decision whether to accept the decision or walk away.

Or did I misinterpret that.
I think Diaz's QO would have been $1M. I could be wrong though. He probably feels he's worth more like $2M and they'll probably settle in the middle.

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07-05-2012, 08:38 PM
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Soft, small, weak, ineffective. Any of those words fit.

Diaz is a good guy. We have too many like Diaz on D in Montreal. Diaz is better than Weber so trade him for whatever we can get.
Actually, they're all pretty different words. Gorges is arguably small and weak, don't think you'll dare call him soft and ineffective though. In any event, irrelevant.
I agree we have too many similar guys, one of them at least should be on the out.

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07-05-2012, 08:45 PM
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I'd be careful about just trading this guy. Sure he isn't the most physical D but he's usually in good position and he's a slick player with the puck. Could be completely wrong but I did like the way he developed last year and I could see him gaining confidence and helping out.

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07-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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Actually, they're all pretty different words. Gorges is arguably small and weak, don't think you'll dare call him soft and ineffective though. In any event, irrelevant.
I agree we have too many similar guys, one of them at least should be on the out.
Thank you ! I was about to post almost exactly this, but a call side-
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07-05-2012, 09:02 PM
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Diaz and Emelin were an effective 3rd pairing until Kaberle came along and screwed everything up
In part this may have been because Emelin was playing on the
left, where he always looked better to me. And it may have been
before Diaz's groin injury.

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07-05-2012, 09:21 PM
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People who criticize Diaz and say we should trade him for scraps make me wonder how many take the time to watch a player rather than align their opinions with what HF/Twitter says. Diaz is a composed, smart, calm, responsible bottom pairing defenseman. He has a dependable two-way game that any team would love in a #5-6 defender, don't think I've seen him make a bad decision with the puck and he has a good first pass. I'm sorry all bottom pairing defenseman aren't 6'5" freight trains

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He won't get much so I say keep him til the trade deadline and trade him when his value is at its highest.

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07-05-2012, 09:26 PM
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People who criticize Diaz and say we should trade him for scraps make me wonder how many take the time to watch a player rather than align their opinions with what HF/Twitter says. Diaz is a composed, smart, calm, responsible bottom pairing defenseman. He has a dependable two-way game that any team would love in a #5-6 defender, don't think I've seen him make a bad decision with the puck and he has a good first pass. I'm sorry all bottom pairing defenseman aren't 6'5" freight trains
I see what you're saying but really he's bad defensively. He adapts well and we should see improvement but that's false praise to say that.

His QO was 850k and that's all they offered so he's probably gonna get 1-1.5mil for his 16pts in 59gms.

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07-05-2012, 09:33 PM
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I see what you're saying but really he's bad defensively. He adapts well and we should see improvement but that's false praise to say that.

His QO was 850k and that's all they offered so he's probably gonna get 1-1.5mil for his 16pts in 59gms.
I haven't seen anything glaring that would lead me to call him "bad defensively". He's not a shutdown defenseman by any means, but he's safe enough to not have to worry about when you're putting him out there, like say Kaberle or M.A. Bergeron. 16 points in 59gp makes him a 22 point defenseman, which is pretty respectable for a defenseman who doesn't see a ton of minutes. I'd gladly give him 1.5-1.75 to keep him in the line-up. Again, not all bottom pairing dman are defensive stalwarts, there's value in having depth players that can help get the puck of ice and have good offensive instincts

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07-05-2012, 10:13 PM
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I think he's been advised to file to, ahem, encourage the Habs to either sign him or cut him loose. I think there's a job for him in the NHL, but I don't think he's crazy enough to think there's some big award coming via arbitration. It's more about setting a clock than squeezing dollars.

Personally I see more upside in Diaz than Weber (or St. Denis, although he's a better 2-way dman than either of them as of this minute.) I know Weber's younger but I just don't see any progress.


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I like Diaz, hope they give him a chance here.

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07-05-2012, 10:32 PM
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People who criticize Diaz and say we should trade him for scraps make me wonder how many take the time to watch a player rather than align their opinions with what HF/Twitter says. Diaz is a composed, smart, calm, responsible bottom pairing defenseman. He has a dependable two-way game that any team would love in a #5-6 defender, don't think I've seen him make a bad decision with the puck and he has a good first pass. I'm sorry all bottom pairing defenseman aren't 6'5" freight trains
You are making my point. There are teams that have the big DMen and would love to have a finesse DMan like Diaz. Montreal isnt one of those teams.

Nothing personal against Diaz. As of right now, he is not a good fit here because we have just resigned St-Denis and then there is Weber and Kaberle. Of that group, I think that we 'probably' could get the best return from Diaz in a trade.

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This is a busines, he left his country to play in the NHL, he wants to play for the Habs but thinks he wasn't made a good offer, so he files for arbitration, simple as that.

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This is a puzzling move. I still think he re-signs, but I do also believe he is being dangled.

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