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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (9th)

View Poll Results: Vote for our #9 Prospect
Darren Kramer 0 0%
Jarrod Maidens 2 1.49%
Ben Blood 0 0%
Mike Hoffman 23 17.16%
Chris Wideman 0 0%
Jakub Culek 0 0%
Fredrik Claesson 1 0.75%
Michael Sdao 0 0%
Patrick Wiercioch 4 2.99%
Mark Borowiecki 43 32.09%
Andre Petersson 9 6.72%
Stephane Da Costa 35 26.12%
Jim O'Brien 11 8.21%
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 5 3.73%
Derek Grant 1 0.75%
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07-05-2012, 11:03 PM
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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (9th)

Sens Prospect Rankings:

1. Jakob Silfverberg F (Brynäs IF, SEL) 52.60%
2. Mika Zibanejad F (Djurgården IF, SEL) 62.79%
3. Robin Lehner G (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 80.95%
4. Mark Stone F (Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL) 54.86%
5. Cody Ceci D (Ottawa 67's, OHL) 58.47%
6. Stefan Noesen F (Plymouth Whalers, OHL) 88.14%
7. Matt Puempel F (Kitchener Rangers, OHL) 33.81%
8. Shane Prince F (Ottawa 67s, OHL) 46.15%


Senators Prospects Top 40 (2011) + Past Rankings:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...745&highlight=

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you have to type in all the poll options after you post the thread. It can take a few minutes.


anyways, Jim O'brien again for me. He's a lock to graduate and should be a solid-to-great bottom sixer for years to come.

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anyways, Jim O'brien again for me. He's a lock to graduate and should be a solid-to-great bottom sixer for years to come.
It's mostly about upside. Some/most top 6 prospects could play in the bottom 6 if they don't pan out... It's bottom 6 or bust for O'Brien, not even a possibility of playing an offensive role..

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Toss up between Hoffman and Boro for me. I went with Hoffman because I think he tops out as a more valuable player, but even that is arguable. I could see DaCosta going in this spot too, but the other two are a little closer.

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Borocop for the third consecutive poll.

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Voting Hoffman over O'Brien is insane.

Not only is he older and not proven as much at the AHL level as O'Brien has, but he is undersized and is far from a sure bet to make the NHL.

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DaCosta, easily. Then hoff, then boro.

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Voting Hoffman over O'Brien is insane.

Not only is he older and not proven as much at the AHL level as O'Brien has, but he is undersized and is far from a sure bet to make the NHL.
Literally everything in this post is wrong. Hoffman is younger, has proven as much or more in the AHL, he is not undersized, and ''far from a sure bet'' is exaggeration. And no it's not insane.

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Literally everything in this post is wrong. Hoffman is younger, has proven as much or more in the AHL, he is not undersized, and ''far from a sure bet'' is exaggeration. And no it's not insane.
OK, O'Brien is older but they are very close in age. Statistically Hoffman has not matched what O'Brien has done at the AHL level, and I'm sure Murray would rank O'Brien as a better player than anyone else on this list right now (save perhaps Borowiecki, but we'll see).

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It's mostly about upside. Some/most top 6 prospects could play in the bottom 6 if they don't pan out... It's bottom 6 or bust for O'Brien, not even a possibility of playing an offensive role..
it should be about both, else our top prospects would all be goalies and tiny playmakers.

in my head:

Obrien (100% NHLer * 50% impact) > Hoffman (50% NHLer * 75% impact)

(numbers for demonstrative purposes only, not necessarily indicative of what i think of either's potential or nhl-likelyhood)


i really only see two reasonable answers here - borowiecki and o'brien. Everyone else is a longshot to ever play a full season in the NHL.

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OK, O'Brien is older but they are very close in age. Statistically Hoffman has not matched what O'Brien has done at the AHL level, and I'm sure Murray would rank O'Brien as a better player than anyone else on this list right now (save perhaps Borowiecki, but we'll see).
Hoffman is a late bloomer.

Hoffman led his team in scoring, not even close for O'Brien. Hoffman had a better ppg this year in the AHL.

Sure O'Brien is better right now, but that's not the same as upside

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it should be about both, else our top prospects would all be goalies and tiny playmakers.

in my head:

Obrien (100% NHLer * 50% impact) > Hoffman (50% NHLer * 75% impact)

(numbers for demonstrative purposes only, not necessarily indicative of what i think of either's potential or nhl-likelyhood)


i really only see two reasonable answers here - borowiecki and o'brien. Everyone else is a longshot to ever play a full season in the NHL.
I still value upside more... Look at the UFA market right now: littered with bottom 6 players who could be had for cheap. Craig Adams,... Top 6 forwards are much more valuable, bottom 6ers are everywhere

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Literally everything in this post is wrong. Hoffman is younger, has proven as much or more in the AHL, he is not undersized, and ''far from a sure bet'' is exaggeration. And no it's not insane.
Mind you Hoffman is only 11 months younger. Considering JOB's draft position i think Hoffman the edge here.

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I still value upside more...
And NHL GMs do not.

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It's mostly about upside. Some/most top 6 prospects could play in the bottom 6 if they don't pan out... It's bottom 6 or bust for O'Brien, not even a possibility of playing an offensive role..
This.

Same thing with Boro.

You can sign guys who have Boro or JOB's UPSIDE in free agency for reasonable amounts. You can't sign top 6 forwards for reasonable amounts. You either get them in trades or develop them yourself.

Thus, I voted Da Costa. Has #1-2 center upside.

e: Even if it's a longshot.

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Da Costa. Best hockey sense out of the entire prospect pool, tied with Ceci.

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This.

Same thing with Boro.

You can sign guys who have Boro or JOB's UPSIDE in free agency for reasonable amounts. You can't sign top 6 forwards for reasonable amounts. You either get them in trades or develop them yourself.

Thus, I voted Da Costa. Has #1-2 center upside.

e: Even if it's a longshot.

True, but in the same respect, likeliness of making the NHL should also be taken into consideration. Just because a player like lets say.. Loui Caporusso, has better tools to play a top 6 role than JOB doesn't mean he is a better prospect. Caporusso's odds on making the NHL are quite slim. However JOB seems to have latched onto a 4th line role. So upside isn't always the full component to ranking prospects.

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True, but in the same respect, likeliness of making the NHL should also be taken into consideration. Just because a player like lets say.. Loui Caporusso, has better tools to play a top 6 role than JOB doesn't mean he is a better prospect. Caporusso's odds on making the NHL are quite slim. However JOB seems to have latched onto a 4th line role. So upside isn't always the full component to ranking prospects.
Caporusso doesn't have top 6 upside. At all. No NHL upside to speak of.

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Was between Borocop and JOB for me, went with Borocop to try and make sure SDC doesn't get the spot.

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True, but in the same respect, likeliness of making the NHL should also be taken into consideration. Just because a player like lets say.. Loui Caporusso, has better tools to play a top 6 role than JOB doesn't mean he is a better prospect. Caporusso's odds on making the NHL are quite slim. However JOB seems to have latched onto a 4th line role. So upside isn't always the full component to ranking prospects.
Fair enough. Everyone can rank them their own way. My own take is that fourth line guys aren't prospects, they're replacement level players. Whether you develop your replacement level players or you sign them in free agency, or you get them as throw ins in trades, doesn't really matter.

(I do think JOB will be better than replacement level, but I still value the potential Da Costa has higher. Not so sure about Boro.)

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