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Free Agent Frenzy Part VII: It's Still Only July Edition

View Poll Results: What should the Rangers do with their two 2013 3rd round picks?
Trade both picks 15 36.59%
Trade one pick, but keep the other 10 24.39%
Hang on to both picks 16 39.02%
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07-06-2012, 11:51 AM
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Hagelin, AA, Thomas, pick. Either keep dubi or if we need to move him for cap, trade him for someone to replace hags or a 3c
Thats better than dubi and AA? Its worse.

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07-06-2012, 11:51 AM
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Dubinsky, Hagelin, Thomas, pick for Nash/Ryan

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Trade for Weber, something around Girardi. I love Danny G, but Weber is just better clearly.

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Trade for Weber, something around Girardi. I love Danny G, but Weber is just better clearly.
Agreed. He's better than Staal too so wouldn't be opposed to that. However, McDonagh is a non starter for me.

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Trade for Weber, something around Girardi. I love Danny G, but Weber is just better clearly.
I don't think Girardi would get it done. If it could great, but I seriously doubt it. Staal is the better player, and Gm's know it.

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Trade for Weber, something around Girardi. I love Danny G, but Weber is just better clearly.
So add ~5M in salary against the cap and still have holes to fill in the top 6? Really don't see how that is the most prudent use of our limited dollars.

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07-06-2012, 11:59 AM
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So add ~5M in salary against the cap and still have holes to fill in the top 6? Really don't see how that is the most prudent use of our limited dollars.
"Prudent" is a four letter word around here.

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Agreed. He's better than Staal too so wouldn't be opposed to that. However, McDonagh is a non starter for me.
Yeah, I don't think Dan G is better than Staal. He had a great year last year, but he is older and has less of a ceiling. Also trading him still leaves depth problems down the lineup.

I agree that McD is not in any trade discussion.

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Yeah, I don't think Dan G is better than Staal. He had a great year last year, but he is older and has less of a ceiling. Also trading him still leaves depth problems down the lineup.

I agree that McD is not in any trade discussion.
Meant Weber was better than Staal.

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The reason the signing of the 34-year-old Asham axed the 33-year-old Fedotenko is because both play a similar style of game, which is to say they are not scoring forwards and earn their money by killing penalties and being physical.
Asham has killed 1:10 of penalties in the past 3 seasons.

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I would not trade McDonagh, he has Norris written all over him. Girardi, I would not move unless it's a no brainer player, same with Staal.

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So add ~5M in salary against the cap and still have holes to fill in the top 6? Really don't see how that is the most prudent use of our limited dollars.
Shea Weber instantly makes out power play deadly. He is the mastermind of Nashville's. He is the best defenseman in the NHL, and that alone will make our top 6 better.

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I don't think Girardi would get it done. If it could great, but I seriously doubt it. Staal is the better player, and Gm's know it.
Well it wouldn't be alone. We'd have to add of course.

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Agreed. He's better than Staal too so wouldn't be opposed to that. However, McDonagh is a non starter for me.
Agreed. The point in getting Weber would be to play him with McDonagh as well. Seeing as how Suter played with Weber all the time, why not let Suter-East play with him.

And yeah Staal Girardi are interchangible in that trade proposal. Love both guys, but for Shea Weber? I'd drive em to the airport.

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Asham has killed 1:10 of penalties in the past 3 seasons.
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07-06-2012, 12:06 PM
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The notion of two players outscoring Nash's production is not dumb at all.
No offense, but it is pretty dumb. Lets say, for instance, youre talking about 2 players replicating Nash's production - they're probably doing it in double the ice time.

So, if you want to be fair with that type of equation, you have to take into account that, by adding Nash, you'd also have another 15-20 minutes of ice time per game for someone else to add production.

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I would not trade McDonagh, he has Norris written all over him. Girardi, I would not move unless it's a no brainer player, same with Staal.
Shea Weber is a clear upgrade on Girardi and Staal. I wouldn't deal both, only one.

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Dutch, you keep on repeating this and ignoring the multiple posts that address this. He will not be traded here as a rental. Staal would only get moved if Weber would be willing to sign an extension here.

Also, bring up the CBA, I already posted this in the last thread. If Polie moves Weber, he wants to do it during this summer. He can get more in return, because cap circumventing contracts will be grandfathered into the new CBA.
You're ignoring that negotiating with the player prior to the trade, in other words guaranteeing the new deal, always drives up price.

If Weber won't re-sign with Nashville, he must have some contract they won't agree to. What will the contract be in the event Nashville has to walk away?

Pure video game fantasy.

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I thought it was the Pyatt signing that spelled the end for Feds rather than Asham's signing. Pyatt and Feds had nearly identical production last season, but the Rangers were able to sign Pyatt for less than what Feds eventually got.

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I would not trade McDonagh, he has Norris written all over him. Girardi, I would not move unless it's a no brainer player, same with Staal.
McD won't win a Norris. Even if he tops out at 12-15 goals that won't be enough with the likes of Karlsson, Doughty, Weber, Pietrangelo in the league.

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No offense, but it is pretty dumb. Lets say, for instance, youre talking about 2 players replicating Nash's production - they're probably doing it in double the ice time.

So, if you want to be fair with that type of equation, you have to take into account that, by adding Nash, you'd also have another 15-20 minutes of ice time per game for someone else to add production.
If two was better than one teams would just load up on 20g scores. But as you said it's not.

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No offense, but it is pretty dumb. Lets say, for instance, youre talking about 2 players replicating Nash's production - they're probably doing it in double the ice time.

So, if you want to be fair with that type of equation, you have to take into account that, by adding Nash, you'd also have another 15-20 minutes of ice time per game for someone else to add production.
Exactly, it's Nash's production + _________ compared to the 2 guys you subtracted from the lineup.

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You're ignoring that negotiating with the player prior to the trade, in other words guaranteeing the new deal, always drives up price.

If Weber won't re-sign with Nashville, he must have some contract they won't agree to. What will the contract be in the event Nashville has to walk away?

Pure video game fantasy.
What? If he doesn't resign with Nashville it could very well be because he doesn't want to. Doesn't have to be the team walking away.

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Well, I am still hoping Nash stays in Columbus.

We can sign free agents so we don't have to break up our roster. Why get a RW when you have to sacrifice 2 centers? What are we going to do then?

Just sign Semin and Doan!

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McD won't win a Norris. Even if he tops out at 12-15 goals that won't be enough with the likes of Karlsson, Doughty, Weber, Pietrangelo in the league.
Huh? Doughty hasn't been nearly as good as McDonagh has during the season. He had one good playoffs and now everyone thinks hes the next Lidstrom.

Those guys aren't Leetch, MacInnis, Niedermayer, Lidstrom, Stevens. McDonagh can win a Norris, he also may not, he's what 23 years old?

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Again, you are all upgrading a spot that doesn't need an upgrade. Our top 4 are set. We need scoring and a 3rd pair. Staal, Girardi and McD are a financial bargain and effective so long as they aren't playing prohibitive minutes. Weber isn't a solution and twice Staal's price.

It's absolutely senseless for the Rangers to dedicate an extra $4m in cap to fix something that isn't broken. Assets and cap space should be spent on some scoring, re-signing Stralman and MDZ, and locking down one more RD that can eat minutes and hopefully move the puck up ice. Weber for Staal doesn't reduce minutes for the defensemen.

All the talk is "Staal for Weber, Staal for Weber" That's the starting point, who else is included. Not our garbage like Dubinsky. Not Thomas. Kreider, Stepan, Hagelin, MDZ, Miller, McIlrath... some of the so-called untouchable names. The cheap entry level replacements that help offset Weber level contracts.

I'm just thankful that the organization isn't wasting time and energy trying to fix things like the top 4.

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