Poile needs to handle with the Shea Weber situation the way that Shero dealt with the Jordan Staal situation: You offer the player the best contract extension you can afford. If he doesn't accept, you trade him, preferably to a place he wants to play.
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Losing Suter without getting anything in return was hurtful. Losing Weber after Suter could be disastrous.
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Based on history, the Predators could probably get an exceptional prospect, a first-round pick, and a couple of players to help them now. Maybe that doesn't seem like enough, but it's more than they received for Suter.
Also, is Kevin Allen now considered a Poile basher now?
I think the article is kinda silly. If Polie is looking to trade Weber it isn't going to be for a rental package. If Weber is traded he is going to sign with whatever team he is traded to. He is going to sign before the new CBA(whether with Nashville or someone else).
Polie is going to get a ransom for Weber or Weber is going to resign.
I think the article is kinda silly. If Polie is looking to trade Weber it isn't going to be for a rental package. If Weber is traded he is going to sign with whatever team he is traded to. He is going to sign before the new CBA(whether with Nashville or someone else).
Polie is going to get a ransom for Weber or Weber is going to resign.
that's right ... If Poile plays this right ... Shea will be coerced into signing for a huge sum of money or he'll be traded for players that will actually harm the team he's traded to.
Why would you consider Allen a "Poile basher" though? What he said in this article is what has already been discussed here and in agreement with everyone. It's the right move.
It's funny that Allen wrote that article but it basically affirms what everyone around here believes needs to happen. Many of us have said the very same thing yet we didn't get paid to write it.
that's right ... If Poile plays this right ... Shea will be coerced into signing for a huge sum of money or he'll be traded for players that will actually harm the team he's traded to.
Not necessarily, some teams can afford the Ransom and not hurt their team. It depends on the team in question and what Nashville covets.
Why would you consider Allen a "Poile basher" though? What he said in this article is what has already been discussed here and in agreement with everyone. It's the right move.
Apparently it wasn't the right move for Suter though...
I say we offer Weber 12yrs $100M... If he signs then AWESOME, if he says no thanks then start the process to trade him immediately! I want him to sign and I also want the Preds to go get a Semin, Ryan, Doan type player or two! Then I want to kick the Sh%t out of the Wild forever! It would have been nice to have Tootoo on the team to give Suter some hell (by Hell I mean some MEAN body checks) when we play them! If we improve our offense, I think our defense will be just fine.
I am sure that GMDP thought RS was coming back to play with SW. If Weber is in disbelief in Suter leaving, then there must be something to the Poile thinking Suter was coming back.
Hindsight being what it is, should have made offer to RS accept or be traded.
Difference: We had a legitimate shot at the cup last year. This year, not so much.
I beg to differ on a legitimate shot at the cup last year, but whatever. Our franchise is in much better shape losing Suter for nothing and losing in the second round.
I beg to differ on a legitimate shot at the cup last year.
Suter left for "family reasons", not to win a cup. If he had gone to Detroit, I would agree with you. Oh wait, we beat them in the playoffs. If the decision came down to us, Minny, and Detroit, it was never about winning.
I agree that saying we had a legitimate shot at winning the SC was an overreach. I think we were in the discussion, but just because we added AK, AR, PG and HG did not make us the legitimate favorite to win. I think adding HG and PG helped us as a team in some aspects. The other two did not. I was all for AK thinking he would turn around and be a big scoring forward for us, his defense was not very good and that hurt us. AR came in with the world at his fingertips, too bad his fingers and hands were not connected to rest of his body. He was better at being a medium fish in a little pond. So glad all the AR stuff is now over and we can move forward from it!
If we weren't a favorite in the West, i'd like to know who was?
Certainly wasn't the Kings. Wasn't Phoenix. Couldn't have been Vancouver - they were crushed in round 1.
St. Lou did the same as we did - and if we weren't contenders, they weren't either.
Imagine that - an entire Western conference with not a single legit contending team.
We weren't the favorite. Van was, then Stl and Det after them. Phoenix rode there goaltender all the way to the WCF. We were not expected to beat Det, especially after they won so many games at home. The Kings underachieved all year. They had just as good goaltending as anyone, the offensive players were there as well, just didn't put it together till the end of the season. Chicago played Phoenix better than we did, they just didn't have a goalie to give them some help. I believe the West was much better from 1-8 than the East. A great goaltender and some scoring won it. We had defense and a goaltender but no scoring.
If we weren't a favorite in the West, i'd like to know who was?
Certainly wasn't the Kings. Wasn't Phoenix. Couldn't have been Vancouver - they were crushed in round 1.
St. Lou did the same as we did - and if we weren't contenders, they weren't either.
Imagine that - an entire Western conference with not a single legit contending team.
It's a crapshoot in the playoffs (except when Trotz is coaching). Some teams have the chemistry and momentum, others don't. Just because 3/8 "analysts" think we were a favorite doesn't mean squat. We got steamrolled by Phx in the second round. Therefore, we weren't a favorite. We didn't even get 1/2 way there. We squeezed by a sunsetting DRW team. Woo Hoo! No better than last year, in fact worse. We played Vancouver much more competitively than we played Phx (who LA had no trouble bouncing, btw).
But to sacrifice your future because you perceive this is your shot (when it's not even your shot), that's bad management. People assume trading Suter results in receiving nothing that would have helped our team for the playoffs. That's dumb too.
Rental or not, Suter would have been by far the biggest name available had Poile traded him. The market was exactly -0- on Number 1 defensemen. The return would have been sizable, and we'd be talking today about how Trotz would be scheming to maximize them. We'd be talking about the stud prospects that may crack the lineup this year, and all those players would at least give Weber something to be excited about if he's considering re-signing here. Instead, we've got the empty bag.
It's a crapshoot in the playoffs (except when Trotz is coaching). Some teams have the chemistry and momentum, others don't. Just because 3/8 "analysts" think we were a favorite doesn't mean squat. We got steamrolled by Phx in the second round. Therefore, we weren't a favorite. We didn't even get 1/2 way there. We squeezed by a sunsetting DRW team. Woo Hoo! No better than last year, in fact worse. We played Vancouver much more competitively than we played Phx (who LA had no trouble bouncing, btw).
But to sacrifice your future because you perceive this is your shot (when it's not even your shot), that's bad management. People assume trading Suter results in receiving nothing that would have helped our team for the playoffs. That's dumb too.
Rental or not, Suter would have been by far the biggest name available had Poile traded him. The market was exactly -0- on Number 1 defensemen. The return would have been sizable, and we'd be talking today about how Trotz would be scheming to maximize them. We'd be talking about the stud prospects that may crack the lineup this year, and all those players would at least give Weber something to be excited about if he's considering re-signing here. Instead, we've got the empty bag.
So....you pick who the favorites are after you know who wins?
First of all, having a negative opinion of moves Poile makes or doesn't make doesn't make you a Poile basher. I would say to be a Poile basher one must bash him at every opportunity, regardless of context. Otherwise you're probably not letting your bias win out in every discussion.
Second, just because trading Weber if he won't commit long term is the right move doesn't mean trading Suter would have been. These are completely different situations. Suter would have had to have been traded at the deadline, and the deal would have been made under the impression that it was a rental move (if the GM is smart). At the time, his value as an asset in a trade likely wasn't higher than his value as a player on the team (in Poile's mind).
Right now, Weber has massive value. Look at the contract Suter just got, and he is viewed as the lesser of the two defenseman by pretty much everyone in the hockey world outside of Nashville. A team will likely be willing to give up a pretty good return to have an entire summer and season to sign Weber rather than trying to emerge victorious in a bidding war that could get insane. It's likely Weber wants to sign a new deal before the CBA since no one really has any idea what the new CBA will look like.
Also, Suter's departure makes the Weber situation a different monster. You can't put the fan base through another one of those only to lose. Too many strides have been made to solidify the fan base and the organization for it to take that kind of hit twice in the same summer. We can't view these things in a vacuum, assuming the whole time that one situation is exactly like another without any outside forces changing the scenario.
I beg to differ on a legitimate shot at the cup last year, but whatever. Our franchise is in much better shape losing Suter for nothing and losing in the second round.
Not trying to bash you but I'd like to hear your opinion on how we didn't have a legit shot at the cup last season? Were we overwhelming favorites? Hell no. But the team constructed had a decent chance if they played to their ability. It didn't happen but the goal in hockey is to win the SC period. When you are close I'm ok with rolling the dice.
It's a crapshoot in the playoffs (except when Trotz is coaching). Some teams have the chemistry and momentum, others don't. Just because 3/8 "analysts" think we were a favorite doesn't mean squat. We got steamrolled by Phx in the second round. Therefore, we weren't a favorite. We didn't even get 1/2 way there. We squeezed by a sunsetting DRW team. Woo Hoo! No better than last year, in fact worse. We played Vancouver much more competitively than we played Phx (who LA had no trouble bouncing, btw).
By that logic, the President's trophy winning Canucks we're not a Stanley Cup favorite because they got bounced in the first round. The only favorites would have been the Kings and Coyotes - two teams that eeked into the playoffs.
If you actually had them as Stanley Cup favorites on, say, April 1, you need to go to Vegas.
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But to sacrifice your future because you perceive this is your shot (when it's not even your shot), that's bad management. People assume trading Suter results in receiving nothing that would have helped our team for the playoffs. That's dumb too.
Rental or not, Suter would have been by far the biggest name available had Poile traded him. The market was exactly -0- on Number 1 defensemen. The return would have been sizable, and we'd be talking today about how Trotz would be scheming to maximize them. We'd be talking about the stud prospects that may crack the lineup this year, and all those players would at least give Weber something to be excited about if he's considering re-signing here. Instead, we've got the empty bag.
That's a total assumption, something you hate.
It's just as possible we would have garnered multiple duds and picks that wouldn't be NHL ready for 3-4 years.
The Kovalchuk/Hossa deals are probably the most comparable trade deadline deals - and look what that got Atlanta - a one way ticket to Winnepeg.
It's just as likely, if not more so, that we would have landed nothing of value than if we would have traded a rental Suter for a package of super studs that would have helped the team win for the next decade.
Not trying to bash you but I'd like to hear your opinion on how we didn't have a legit shot at the cup last season? Were we overwhelming favorites? Hell no. But the team constructed had a decent chance if they played to their ability. It didn't happen but the goal in hockey is to win the SC period. When you are close I'm ok with rolling the dice.
I think we were 1 of 4 teams from the West who were considered SC contenders with Phoenix and Chicago at the bottom. Our defense and goaltending kept us in games while our offense and PP/PK was non-existent, again! I really believe our defense will suffer some but will still be better than most others, it's the offense that has been missing for some time now. Lock Weber up then go out and get a TOP 6/sniper type player or two!
