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07-06-2012, 04:24 PM
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Being a transition year, Bergy should use this year to give every opportunity for players like Kaberle and Bouillon to succeed. If we're out of the playoff picture, try and trade these two for picks at the deadline when they actually have value and a team is desperate enough. Instead of trying to dump Kabby for a 7th right now at his lowest value, then watching while other teams' bottom pairing D get traded for inexplicably decent returns at the deadline.

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07-06-2012, 04:26 PM
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As much as I like watching Emelin, I don't consider him a top 4 guy; at least not regularly. IMO we have 3 top 4 guys Subban, Gorges and Markov and 5 bottom pairing d-men in Kaberle, Diaz, Emelin, Weber and Bouillion.

I would not be shocked if MB brought in another top 4 defensive d-man either through free agency or through trade. In which case I see any two of Weber, Kaberle and Diaz as expendable. They are too soft for Therrien.

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07-06-2012, 04:26 PM
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There won't be 8 healthy dman by the end of pre-season.

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07-06-2012, 04:29 PM
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Depth is good. I guess there will always be at least one injured D. Weber, Diaz and Bouillon will spend time in the pressbox when we have too many.

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07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
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Right now assuming everyone is healthy Diaz and Weber are the ones on the outside looking in.

Markov-Subban
Kaberle-Gorges
Bouillon-Emelin

That would be my top 6

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07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
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Why is everyone pawning of Kaberle like he's completely useless ? The guy put up 22 points (11 pp points) in 43 games on an extremely offensively challenged Montreal Canadians team. Its cool if we trade him, but i expect some kind of return for him.


I am completely fine with him playing here on a limited role.

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07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
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We have too many defensemen, when PK signs there will be Gorges, Subban, Markov, Bouillon, Diaz, Weber, Kaberle and Emelin.

So who gets moved? Any preference?
Kaberle and Weber can go any time but lets remember, how many games has Markov's knee played over the last two years?

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07-06-2012, 04:31 PM
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Why is everyone pawning of Kaberle like he's completely useless ? The guy put up 22 points (11 pp points) in 43 games on an extremely offensively challenged Montreal Canadians team. Its cool if we trade him, but i expect some kind of return for him.


I am completely fine with him playing here on a limited role.
Because of his contract. But then again watching some of these UFA signings like Wideman for example I guess Kaberle's contract ain't that bad after all

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now on the market there is nothing good out there and he could draw some interest

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07-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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I kind of want to see weber consistently at D for an extended period of time. Hate when he gets shifted to wing. Even if he ends up a PP specialist, we're always looking for that shot and end up paying for rentals to get it.
Yup, whatever people thing of his overall play, no one can denies the kid has a good shot. There would be no point in trading him for a 5th and later on in the year trading our 2nd for someone with a good slapper. Besides, Diaz is only a year removed from UFA, if we trade Weber and lose Diaz next season, we'll only have 1 RD (Subban).

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07-06-2012, 04:33 PM
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More like not enough with the amount of injuries we sustain.
This, and if the rookies can't outplay the vets then too bad for them!



When Gorges got traded here he was the 7th and he worked his way up.

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07-06-2012, 04:35 PM
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Because of his contract. But then again watching some of these UFA signings like Wideman for example I guess Kaberle's contract ain't that bad after all

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now on the market there is nothing good out there and he could draw some interest
Bingo!

Also people don't recognize that Subban became much better on the power play once we got Kaberle....

I do agree that we have a lot of similar guys though

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07-06-2012, 04:37 PM
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This, and if the rookies can't outplay the vets then too bad for them!



When Gorges got traded here he was the 7th and he worked his way up.
Wasn't that hard all he had to do was out play Niinimaa

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07-06-2012, 04:47 PM
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Too many dmen? Like a few years ago when O'Byrne was traded...and they had to trade a draft pick every time another guy went down?

Practically every dman in the last few years had a significant injury (exceptions Hamrlik and Subban).

Too many soft dmen would be more accurate. I was looking over the 1968 Habs group the other day and they were bigger then the current group.

With Bergevin in charge I could see a significant makeover of the blueline in the next few years and without rushing the prospects before they are ready.

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07-06-2012, 04:47 PM
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But not enough good ones!

Exactly....

Markov if he can stay healthy is a proven number one
Subban - if he can continue to progress will be better then Markov is / was at his best.
Gorges - A true warrior, sacrifices himself day in day out
Emelin - If he progress from last year, he will become a true number three maybe a a number two.

Now the problems begin -

Diaz - fits perfectly as a number six on most teams. Problem is Subban already plays the PP role and Beaulieu is not far behind.

Kaberle - Well I don't want to go there
Weber - See Diaz
Boullion - Hated the signing from day one.

I'm hoping Tinordi comes to camp and forces the Habs to play him as a number 5 guy.
Sending Kaberle and Gomez for that matter to the minors!

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07-06-2012, 04:56 PM
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We don't have too many defensemen, we have too many similar players...

Kaberle, Markov and Weber all serve the same purpose, Markov being the most skilled obviously.

Replace one or more of those by Beaulieu, Ellis or Tinordi 6'3", 6'2" and 6'7" respectively) when they're ready and you're in business. We don't really need to add more players, but moving Kaberle and/or Weber and getting a big defensive D on a single year contract would be the best option, though unlikely.
This is exactly how I see it. I'm hoping at least one of our young D steps up this year and makes the choice of who to keep obvious. I like Emelin's physicality, but he's a long way from being a shutdown defenseman. Diaz is smart, but needs to max out his speed and shot. Weber has flashes of real skill and power, but goes into a coma almost as often. Can any of these three elevate their game and become real # 1 or #2 D? Who knows. But this is the year we watch and find out who's part of our future once Markov, Boullion and Kabs are gone, and Beaulieu, Ellis and Tinordi arrive.

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07-06-2012, 05:00 PM
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Yah but all 1 way deals. Something's gotta give.
Not really.

We can carry 8 defenseman and 13 forwards instead of the normal 7 defenseman and 14 forwards.

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07-06-2012, 05:02 PM
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We must continue the tradition and dress dmen as forwards!

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Trade the scrubs for a big tough defencemen. We lack that a lot.

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07-06-2012, 05:05 PM
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Right now assuming everyone is healthy Diaz and Weber are the ones on the outside looking in.

Markov-Subban
Kaberle-Gorges
Bouillon-Emelin

That would be my top 6
TY TY TY TY



for not putting Bouillon on the right side.

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07-06-2012, 05:08 PM
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Weber's the most likely to go, IMO, with Diaz second and Kaberle third. However, the idea that having 8 d is too many isn't really true. You may not want to carry 8 d on the roster all season, but if you're a playoff team the odds are extremely high you will need 8 regular d over the course of a season.

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TY TY TY TY



for not putting Bouillon on the right side.
Emelin on the R side is better?

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07-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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for not putting Bouillon on the right side.
Bouillon and Emelin could be very entertaining

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Weber's the most likely to go, IMO, with Diaz second and Kaberle third. However, the idea that having 8 d is too many isn't really true. You may not want to carry 8 d on the roster all season, but if you're a playoff team the odds are extremely high you will need 8 regular d over the course of a season.
Thats the case in all likelihood. Id also like to see Markov actually make it through the preseason healthy prior to making many moves at this point. Its not a bad situation to have NHL caliber defenseman. As you said, most teams burn through defenseman over the course of a season. It also gives Montreal some leeway if it appears Kaberle doesnt at least regain some very good offensive form where you could either dump him in the minors, waive, trade, take him out back and put him down.

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Weber's the most likely to go, IMO, with Diaz second and Kaberle third. However, the idea that having 8 d is too many isn't really true. You may not want to carry 8 d on the roster all season, but if you're a playoff team the odds are extremely high you will need 8 regular d over the course of a season.
Very true.

The only problem is that you can't have Kaberle, Weber and Diaz in the same lineup. I would like to see Kaberle moved for a big bottom pairing d-man and Weber moved for a pick. Diaz would then be the 7th d-man and St. Denis would be the first call up.

I am sure there is a team looking for a veteran PMD that would be willing to move a big veteran D who is making more money than he is currently worth.

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The season starts in October. That allows nearly 3 months for sorting things out. Why worry about it now?

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