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07-06-2012, 04:41 PM
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I don't really see why people want Hemsky on the Pens so much. Injury concerns and he's never even scored 25 goals before.

I think if Shero could get Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski i feel like he could work out a trade for someone who is better, younger and a better fit.

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07-06-2012, 04:44 PM
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I don't really see why people want Hemsky on the Pens so much. Injury concerns and he's never even scored 25 goals before.

I think if Shero could get Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski i feel like he could work out a trade for someone who is better, younger and a better fit.
Have you read this thread? Hardly anyone even wants Hemsky on the Pens, much less "so much."

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07-06-2012, 04:47 PM
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Then expect to keep him. Would not give more than a mid level asset for him.
We're fine with keeping him. If we could get an asset that helps the team right away, great, but we won't be moving him for a pile of beans.

Paul Martin (should he waive his NTC) and either a first in next years draft or a Simon Depres/Joe Morrow level prospect.

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07-06-2012, 04:49 PM
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I don't really see why people want Hemsky on the Pens so much. Injury concerns and he's never even scored 25 goals before.

I think if Shero could get Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski i feel like he could work out a trade for someone who is better, younger and a better fit.
He isn't around to score goals. He's around to get assists. This is the same guy who made Shawn Horcoff a 75 point player.

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Once crosby plays a full year with his terrible injury history we will talk about a Hemsky crosby swap...fair is fair right?

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07-06-2012, 04:54 PM
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Is Joe Morrow untouchable?
Not as a piece for Eberle or Hall...but practically, yes.

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07-06-2012, 05:02 PM
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He isn't around to score goals. He's around to get assists. This is the same guy who made Shawn Horcoff a 75 point player.
That was the same year Cheechoo won the Richard Trophy, wasn't it?

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07-06-2012, 05:06 PM
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That was the same year Cheechoo won the Richard Trophy, wasn't it?
I'm an oilers fan an this is the best hockey comeback I've ever read.

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07-06-2012, 05:06 PM
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Pens fans talking about value based on injury history. This is rich!

Crosby should be had for a 2nd rounder by now with that logic and his scrambled brains.

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Pens fans talking about value based on injury history. This is rich!

Crosby should be had for a 2nd rounder by now with that logic and his scrambled brains.
I guess I missed the part where - like Hemsky - Crosby's production slipped. Last I checked, he was as productive than ever when he came back.

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That was the same year Cheechoo won the Richard Trophy, wasn't it?
Good comparison actually. Superstar Joe Thornton bounced pucks off of Jonathan Cheechoo in a similar way that Ales Hemsky bounced pucks off of Shawn Horcoff.

75 points is impressive regardless of what year it was and if the goal totals were magically inflated.

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07-06-2012, 05:11 PM
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I guess I missed the part where - like Hemsky - Crosby's production slipped. Last I checked, he was as productive than ever when he came back.
You obviously missed the last 25 games were Hemsky's game rebounded as well.

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07-06-2012, 05:17 PM
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If you want Hemsky, be prepared to offer something that reflects him returning to pre-injury form.
If that's the case, there's a reason he hasn't been traded yet despite constant rumors of Oilers' management trying to do so.

Other teams see his value for what it is..... very low.

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07-06-2012, 05:19 PM
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How about Paul Martin and conditional first round pick if he plays let's say 60 or more games?

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He isn't around to score goals. He's around to get assists. This is the same guy who made Shawn Horcoff a 75 point player.
First off, not to nitpick but Horcoff scored 73 points. That was in 05'-06'. To give context to this, that was the year Cheechoo scored 56 goals and Brian Gionta scored 48.

Gotta love those hanger on'ers for talking about Hemsky. It's convenient to not mention this great play of his was 7 seasons ago, which can be an eternity for an athlete.

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Pens fans talking about value based on injury history. This is rich!

Crosby should be had for a 2nd rounder by now with that logic and his scrambled brains.
Goodie! Comparing players like Hemsky to players like Crosby is always productive in discussion. It should be done more.

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I guess I missed the part where - like Hemsky - Crosby's production slipped. Last I checked, he was as productive than ever when he came back.
You're totally right, we should wait and see if Crosby ever plays 30 games in the NHL again before we talk about his production over a season. How many games did he play in the last two years... 41 followed by 22 games??


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Goodie! Comparing players like Hemsky to players like Crosby is always productive in discussion. It should be done more.
Was pointing out the hypocrisy displayed by some Pens fans not comparing the players directly. But thanks for coming out!

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07-06-2012, 05:46 PM
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We're fine with keeping him. If we could get an asset that helps the team right away, great, but we won't be moving him for a pile of beans.

Paul Martin (should he waive his NTC) and either a first in next years draft or a Simon Depres/Joe Morrow level prospect.
So you want a top 4 NHL dmen + A close to NHL Ready top 4 dmen prospect?

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How about Paul Martin and conditional first round pick if he plays let's say 60 or more games?
Martin for Hemsky is probably fair value, Personally I'd hold on to Martin over Hemsky right now and I definitely wouldn't add a 1st even if it's conditional.

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Would rather see the Pens go after Doan/Semin/Mueller in that order than trade assets for Hemsky...

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Hemsky for Paul Martin is the only trade that seems reasonable to me. Both have the same cap hit, fill a need (Pens - skilled winger) (Oilers - veteran Dman), and could use a change in scenery. I don't think this should be Shero's first choice, but maybe a backup plan if other things don't work out.

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So you want a top 4 NHL dmen + A close to NHL Ready top 4 dmen prospect?
I want a top four NHL defenseman who has showed signs of slipping and has a contract that isn't the greatest, and a prospect defenseman who shows promise. If Martin was on a better contract and showed more signs of being able to return to form, I would be more willing to do it straight across.

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Would rather see the Pens go after Doan/Semin/Mueller in that order than trade assets for Hemsky...
In addition, I'd rather see the Penguins give a reclamation project like Gilbert Brule a tryout than trading any assets for Hemsky.

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If that's the case, there's a reason he hasn't been traded yet despite constant rumors of Oilers' management trying to do so.

Other teams see his value for what it is..... very low.
Ryan Rishaug isnt constant rumours

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Was pointing out the hypocrisy displayed by some Pens fans not comparing the players directly. But thanks for coming out!
Please explain yourself more, it is not getting better.

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No interest in Hemsky.

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