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07-06-2012, 11:38 AM
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Buffalo - Detroit

To BUF:

Filppula
Pulkkinen
Miller
1st 2013


To DET:

Vanek
Sekera
Adam

Any chance a deal could be worked out that could get Filppula/Pulkkinen to Buffalo? Vanek would give you the big sniper who'd look great on Datsyuk's wing and Sekera can step right into the #2/3 D role. Thoughts? Close?

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07-06-2012, 11:42 AM
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To BUF:

Filppula
Pulkkinen
Miller
1st 2013


To DET:

Vanek
Sekera
Adam

Any chance a deal could be worked out that could get Filppula/Pulkkinen to Buffalo? Vanek would give you the big sniper who'd look great on Datsyuk's wing and Sekera can step right into the #2/3 D role. Thoughts? Close?

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07-06-2012, 11:45 AM
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Done. Papers are on the way.

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07-06-2012, 11:48 AM
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Done. Papers are on the way.
This is the one time i hope darcy's fax machine is broken

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07-06-2012, 11:50 AM
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To BUF:

Filppula
Pulkkinen
Miller
1st 2013


To DET:

Vanek
Sekera
Adam

Any chance a deal could be worked out that could get Filppula/Pulkkinen to Buffalo? Vanek would give you the big sniper who'd look great on Datsyuk's wing and Sekera can step right into the #2/3 D role. Thoughts? Close?
Funny how you have the audacity to ask if it's close.

You know how package deals work...? A team from a position of weakness offers a bunch of shiny gold in exchange for 1 item, the more items that the weak team asks for, the more that the team from a position of strength will ask for. Since you're adding in Adam and Sekera, Buffalo's going to want you to pay through your nose and siphon every last asset that they can get.

You rarely see package for package deals. Even then, that's not enough quality heading Buffalo's way. No deal.

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07-06-2012, 11:55 AM
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Funny how you have the audacity to ask if it's close.

You know how package deals work...? A team from a position of weakness offers a bunch of shiny gold in exchange for 1 item, the more items that the weak team asks for, the more that the team from a position of strength will ask for. Since you're adding in Adam and Sekera, Buffalo's going to want you to pay through your nose and siphon every last asset that they can get.

You rarely see package for package deals. Even then, that's not enough quality heading Buffalo's way. No deal.
The OP looks to be a Buffalo fan and he made the offer. Don't add your logic it's a done deal no take backs.

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07-06-2012, 11:57 AM
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Not good at all for Buffalo. Deal needs to be simplified, and I think a trade based on Sekera and Filppula could out work for both teams. What would need to be added from either side is up to debate.

Adjusted proposal:

To BUF: V. Filppula

To DET: A. Sekera + L. Adam

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07-06-2012, 12:51 PM
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This. 1000000 times this.

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The OP looks to be a Buffalo fan and he made the offer. Don't add your logic it's a done deal no take backs.

He lives in Cheektovegas though... err Cheektowaga... google map it.



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07-06-2012, 01:09 PM
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As a Sabres fan, I would think about sekera for filpulla straight up but probably still not do it because Sekera is signed for cheap for a couple more years and filpulla isn't exactly what we need at center (size). Good player though.

Anything more than Sekera is a no go for me. And the original proposal is way too much from buffalo also. No one undervalues Sabres players like Sabres fans.

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07-06-2012, 01:15 PM
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Maybe we should toss in Myers too, just to be safe.

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07-06-2012, 01:20 PM
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He lives in Cheektovegas though... err Cheektowaga... google map it.


Was just easier to look at his previous post and 3/4 of them had to do with Buffalo players.

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07-06-2012, 01:31 PM
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Sounds like Buffalo fans don't like it. Neither do I.

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07-06-2012, 01:33 PM
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BUF needs to get back more than that for Vanek.

BUF should go after Ryan from ANA.

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Sounds like Buffalo fans don't like it. Neither do I.
There was a thread last offseason with a deal with Filppula for Sekera and most fans from both sides thought it was fairly close. I know Filppula had a breakout year but wouldn't giving up Pulkkinen, Miller and a 1st be worth Vanek and Adam.

Not sure why as a Detroit fan you wouldn't like it. Unless you would feel so bad for Buffalo you couldn't pull the trigger.

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07-06-2012, 01:49 PM
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There was a thread last offseason with a deal with Filppula for Sekera and most fans from both sides thought it was fairly close. I know Filppula had a breakout year but wouldn't giving up Pulkkinen, Miller and a 1st be worth Vanek and Adam.

Not sure why as a Detroit fan you wouldn't like it. Unless you would feel so bad for Buffalo you couldn't pull the trigger.
Not very many things that have me interested in giving up Filppula right now, and not giving up a 1st rounder in a very deep draft when we might end up having a good draft position regardless.

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07-06-2012, 01:56 PM
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they can get better return for Vanek.

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Not sure if buffalo Sabres fan or troll

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There was a thread last offseason with a deal with Filppula for Sekera and most fans from both sides thought it was fairly close. I know Filppula had a breakout year but wouldn't giving up Pulkkinen, Miller and a 1st be worth Vanek and Adam.

Not sure why as a Detroit fan you wouldn't like it. Unless you would feel so bad for Buffalo you couldn't pull the trigger.
Sekera also had a really big year last year, so I think a straight up Filppula for Sekera swap would still be in the right ball park. Might need a big of tweaking, but IMO, it's still close. Proposals with Vanek probably need to stop though...I just don't see him being moved right now. He's going to keep playing Hodgson's wing and helping his development by giving him a proven scorer to set up.

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07-06-2012, 02:04 PM
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Would take it and run.

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Wings take this deal and run.

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07-06-2012, 04:04 PM
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There was a thread last offseason with a deal with Filppula for Sekera and most fans from both sides thought it was fairly close.
Came here to post this. Filppula and Sekera both just had excellent seasons, so the value is probably still close, but both sides will be more reluctant to pull the trigger.

I have no idea why the OP included all the extra fluff in the proposal.

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07-06-2012, 06:25 PM
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Sekera also had a really big year last year, so I think a straight up Filppula for Sekera swap would still be in the right ball park. Might need a big of tweaking, but IMO, it's still close. Proposals with Vanek probably need to stop though...I just don't see him being moved right now. He's going to keep playing Hodgson's wing and helping his development by giving him a proven scorer to set up.
I also remember the proposals from last season (both Stafford and Sekera) and on the face of it seems a fair deal. Both guys had very good seasons last year.

I really like Flip, but it would be hard to give up on 'Rej when he has finally made it.

The only way I see this as a true win-win is if a few conditions are made:

-the Sabres were to make a push for Ryan (something around Ennis + Stafford maybe..)
-Sabres also somehow get a solid two way C for the third line
-Sabres are also confident enough in the likes of McNabb/Pysyk to fill the void left by the likes of Leo and Regehr
-and obviously, the Wings would have to be high enough on Sekera (and they can have Adam as well to fill some of the void left by Flip...)

Vanek-Hodgson-Ryan
Leino-Filppula-Pominville
Foligno-xxxx-Ott
Gerbe-McCormick-Kaleta

is a really good forward group for me.... but at the end of the day too far fetched to probably work.

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Not good at all for Buffalo. Deal needs to be simplified, and I think a trade based on Sekera and Filppula could out work for both teams. What would need to be added from either side is up to debate.

Adjusted proposal:

To BUF: V. Filppula

To DET: A. Sekera + L. Adam
For the past 2 years whenever a Detroit-Buffalo swap gets debated, this one always seems to be considered reasonable from fans on both sides.

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I really like Flip, but it would be hard to give up on 'Rej when he has finally made it.
Red Wings fans could say the same about Filppula, who seemed to have a breakout season after years of underachieving....

Both players seem to be approaching the prime of their careers.

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