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07-06-2012, 07:25 PM
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Did the other proposed lines win less?

See it works both ways because the other proposed lines havent happened. Using your 'did the line that was never used do more?' logic then they shouldnt bother trying to get Semin for Crosby either... after all his line this year did more since the other didnt exist.

Nothing wrong with trying new lines.
Excuse you, do you even understand the meaning of the phrase "never change a winning team?"

Because I am pretty sure I was the one who advocated trying both combinations, but then some smart ass Caps started splitting hairs over proverbs here. So, really, no interest in having another go around on cutesy pretend misunderstandings.

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looking like pittsburgh
From what. He isnt going to pittsburgh.

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Excuse you, do you even understand the meaning of the phrase "never change a winning team?"

Because I am pretty sure I was the one who advocated trying both combinations, but then some smart ass Caps started splitting hairs over proverbs here. So, really, no interest in having another go around on cutesy pretend misunderstandings.
And again, what did they actually win?

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And again, what did they actually win?
4th place!

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And again, what did they actually win?
And again: No interest in engaging with your internet obtuse act.

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pens would be good for the lolz after the years of badmouthing pens did getting wiped out in 30 seconds when theyre all over his junk.

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4th place!
The highest GAA in the playoffs!

The Pens need D. All this Semin to Pitt talk is nothing more than a bunch of thinly veiled Caps hate.

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and again: No interest in engaging with your internet obtuse act.
ok.

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Excuse you, do you even understand the meaning of the phrase "never change a winning team?"

Because I am pretty sure I was the one who advocated trying both combinations, but then some smart ass Caps started splitting hairs over proverbs here. So, really, no interest in having another go around on cutesy pretend misunderstandings.
Theyre not a winning team... they have a winning line. You can change things to make a winning team with a slightly weaker line. its called spreading out the scoring, perhaps youve heard of that?

Not to mention 'never change a winning team' is stupid. That means youre the best you can possibly be which no team ever is. You think the Kings arent going to try to become better? Lol ok right. Every team tries to get better and even the winning team needs to (and the Pens arent the winning team).

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Theyre not a winning team... they have a winning line. You can change things to make a winning team with a slightly weaker line. its called spreading out the scoring, perhaps youve heard of that?

Not to mention 'never change a winning team' is stupid. That means youre the best you can possibly be which no team ever is. You think the Kings arent going to try to become better? Lol ok right. Every team tries to get better and even the winning team needs to (and the Pens arent the winning team).
Don't be obtuse.

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Theyre not a winning team... they have a winning line. You can change things to make a winning team with a slightly weaker line. its called spreading out the scoring, perhaps youve heard of that?

Not to mention 'never change a winning team' is stupid. That means youre the best you can possibly be which no team ever is. You think the Kings arent going to try to become better? Lol ok right. Every team tries to get better and even the winning team needs to (and the Pens arent the winning team).
It was a standing phrase applied to that one (Malkin) line. Not the whole team, we would not be here talking about Semin, if the whole team did not need changing.

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The highest GAA in the playoffs!

The Pens need D. All this Semin to Pitt talk is nothing more than a bunch of thinly veiled Caps hate.
We need a winger and a big defensive D-Man. We have plenty of cap space and Semin is an option for that winger spot. Just not sure Shero thinks a lot of him.

The playoffs were only 6 games. It's probably not smart to judge anything on that small a sample size. The D and goalie certainly weren't that bad all year. The goalie depth needed improvement and we addressed that with Vokoun and Zatkoff. The D needed a shakeup and that's what moving Michalek was for. We are well stocked with NHL ready D prospects like Despres, Morrow, Dumoulin. We still need a big physical top 4 guy. It doesn't need to be a superstar but someone solid. The rest of the D is fine.

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We need a winger and a big defensive D-Man. We have plenty of cap space and Semin is an option for that winger spot. Just not sure Shero thinks a lot of him.

The playoffs were only 6 games. It's probably not smart to judge anything on that small a sample size. The D and goalie certainly weren't that bad all year. The goalie depth needed improvement and we addressed that with Vokoun and Zatkoff. The D needed a shakeup and that's what moving Michalek was for. We are well stocked with NHL ready D prospects like Despres, Morrow, Dumoulin. We still need a big physical top 4 guy. It doesn't need to be a superstar but someone solid. The rest of the D is fine.
I agree and think Semin would be a great fit.

As for the second part, it sounds very much like the Caps situation for the last 3 years.

Edit: I dont think the Pens can sign the D man you need AND Semin. What is more important?

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PIT/DET could sign Semin and trade a winger for a d-man.

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I believe he will end up with Caps. McPhee's just waiting silently and than will strike. You never know what he's thinking.

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Anything substantial regarding Detroit's interest? It seems to make sense, but Holland has lost his mind and thinks the guy is a KGB agent or something. Haven't heard anything other than they were not too interested in Semen. Hope it's not true, I think he'd be dirty on Pavel's wing.

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I agree and think Semin would be a great fit.

As for the second part, it sounds very much like the Caps situation for the last 3 years.

Edit: I dont think the Pens can sign the D man you need AND Semin. What is more important?
As Hook said, the defense was shambolic for the playoffs, as well as the last handful of regular season games, but a significant reason for that was the ill-disciplined run and gun hockey the entire team was playing. The same D corps were lauded the previous season for playing good, structured hockey and that just went completely to pot in the playoffs. A defensive dman (preferably physical) for the top 4 should compliment the team nicely and that doesn't have to come with a big price tag. Should be very possible to fit them both in.

But obviously Pittsburgh would not be the highest bidder for Semin, nor would I expect Shero to even make an offer. Just saying the defense doesn't need as big an overhaul as some people think and Semin+top 4 Dman could fit under the cap.

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I agree and think Semin would be a great fit.

As for the second part, it sounds very much like the Caps situation for the last 3 years.

Edit: I dont think the Pens can sign the D man you need AND Semin. What is more important?
Pens have like 13-14 million in cap space. They can absolutely sign Semin and still have enough for a dman, should they want to.

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I hope he signs with Colorado!

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It's either PIT/NJ/DET. Outside chance COL.
Also reported by Sport Express (Russia) that Nashville has submitted an increased offer. Mentioned Buffalo too.

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If not Detroit, NJ seems the most logical option - he'd have a comparable countryman to work with in Kovalchuk as he had with Ovechkin. And NJ will be anxious to replace the offense that Parise took with him.
He would fill in for Parises production quite nicely, but he just does not seem like a great type of guy to have on the team. I've never liked anything I've seen from him other than a shot.

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And again, what did they actually win?
Malkin finally won a Hart.

(Of course, when Ovechkin wins 2 it doesn't matter, but when Malkin wins one it's a "winning team")

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Pens have like 13-14 million in cap space. They can absolutely sign Semin and still have enough for a dman, should they want to.
According to capgeek they have just over 10.

Not sure they can sign Semin for ~6.5 plus a "solid D man".

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Some offended Caps fans?

Don't worry boys, I'll be surprised if Ray goes after him hard to be honest.

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The Penguins don't NEED defensemen, it's typical that fans who don't know much about the team would say that because all everyone is doing is looking at the Philly series, when, if they knew anything about the Penguins, they would know that the way they played against Philly wasn't because of their lack of skill, it was the way they played, which is something they got away from, which is something they can get back to. All the Pens need to do is play structured, team defense. The Penguins D unit was one of the league's best in 2010-11. They had the same D last season and in the Philly series, like I said, it wasn't lack of skill, they just got away from playing defense.

Orpik and Letang were a solid D pair in 2010-11 and for most the this past season. Orpik didn't have much of an offseason for training because he was recovering from sports hernia surgery, and NHL players say you're off when you don't have that off season to train.

Paul Martin was a solid defenseman during his first season with the Penguins, he didn't like the season he had and is motivated to be a better player, he wanted to stay in Pittsburgh and hoped they wouldn't trade him because he wants to prove that he's a great player. Matt Niskanen showed improvements, and fits the team better than Michalek, he was one of our better defensemen all season and in the playoffs. He takes Michalek's spot in the top 4.

Then we have Despres, who made his NHL debut last season, spent some time in WBS, got some time in Pittsburgh, he actually was in the lineup in the Philly series for games 4, 5, and 6 (pens went 2-1) and went back to WBS to help them beat Hershey in the 1st round and went to game 7 in the 2nd round, he's played some competitive playoff hockey and looks like he is ready for the NHL.

2010-11/2011-12

Orpik-Letang
Martin-Michalek
Niskanen-Engelland

2012-13 (?)

Orpik-Letang
Martin-Niskanen
Despres-Engelland

So yeah, Pens don't need D, they're set, but could look for an upgrade. Shero said if he has the opportunity to upgrade the team he would do it. But with the current D, they just need to watch film from late last season and playoffs, recognize the mistakes, focus on playing team D, and play a balanced game.

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