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11-29-2003, 01:50 AM
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hey guys and girls, i posted this in the panthers forum the other night and everone seemed supportive of it. if youre interested, you can find your individual club addresses at http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/faq/club_info.html if youd like to copy my letter or just mine it for ideas, or if you totally disagree with me and have something else youd like to tell the league and players please just respond! theyre going to screw around and throw away a season or more of our game and most of us fans dont seem to think we can do anything about it.

heres a copy of my post, and just as a p.s. the typos and so forth have already been edited out of the real letters.




everyone and his grandmother (that watches hockey anyway) pretty much knows theres a lockout coming. id like to try to see if we can actually force their hand in avoiding it. i dont know how much of a shot at it we have, but i think we ought to start a letter writing campaign to put some fan pressure on them to get a deal done...as baseball fans did to avert a possible lockout in their sport. as gate driven as our league is, the threat of hitting them in the wallet carries a little more weight for us...if we dont go to games, they dont have tv money to bail themselves out. Thus, our games greatest weakness becomes a pretty good tool for the fans to use against BOTH sides to force them to get a deal done.

anyways, im sending a letter to each of the following: the nhl league offices, the nhlpa, the florida panthers, and russo, biggane, and neal. I urge all of you to do the same. im going to copy my letter into the post so you guys can see it before i send it out, and if youd like to use mine your more than welcome. I have some friends here in l.a. that are going to get the kings and ducks offices as well as elliott and the rest from the times and the o.c. register.

also, if you guys think this is a good idea, lets take it to the other forums and get the fans of other teams in on it. heimy, you and mark, being moderators would probably be a big help in this if you agree with it.

here are the addresses for the league and team offices

National Hockey League
1251 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020

National Hockey League Players Association
777 Bay St., Ste. 2400
Toronto, Ontario M5G 2C8, Canada

Florida Panthers Hockey Club
One Panther Parkway
Sunrise, FL 33323

and here is a copy of the letter im sending:


November 27, 2003

National Hockey League
1251 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020

CC: The Florida Panthers, The National Hockey League Players Association, Mike Russo-The South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Brian Biggane-The Palm Beach Post, David J. Neal-The Miami Herald

To whom it may concern,

As a fan of the National Hockey League, as well as and ardent consumer and supporter of our game, I find talk of an impending lockout deeply disturbing as well as somewhat offensive. While I am quite comfortable with the fact that big league sports is an enormous business with revenues in the hundreds of millions and growing, fans have quite a different perspective of things. We suffer with our teams when they lose, we rejoice with our teams when they are victorious, but
above all WE PAY THE BILLS. We spend our money on tickets, and concessions, and jerseys, and hats, and stickers, and we spend it loyally as well as abundantly.
In short, itís the fans that are the lifeblood of this sport. Not Nextel, or ESPN/ABC, or Fox Sports Net, or Microsoft, or the NHLPA, or Bob Goodenow, or Bill Daly, or Gary Bettman. The aforementioned entities will not suffer much in the case of a lockout. Itís the fans that suffer at your expense. At a time when the regular, blue-collar type family that put the NHL in the position it is in now can barely afford single games, much less season tickets, for some to insist that there is not a solution to prevent a lockout is insulting and detestable. We, the fans, are quite aware of the amount of money flowing through the gates, because we put it in the cash drawer. We, the fans, are also quite sick of the all or nothing rhetoric being played out by both sides in the media with no hope, or apparently, any desire to compromise and save next season. You will notice I make no effort to choose between the players and the owners as to who is right. That is because as a fan I quite honestly could care less, as long as the situation is resolved in an equitable fashion, we have a healthy league, and the games go on.
That being said, I know that I am only one individual. If there is a lockout I will choose to turn my sports dollar elsewhere. I love our game and it would pain me immeasurably to do so, but I have no interest in patronizing a product that would have such a callous disregard for its customers as to suspend operations without so much as a half-hearted attempt to resolve a labor dispute. I am only one person, but I know other fans who feel the same way.

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It's a nice thought but here's why I don't like it.

The owners have dug their own grave with the way they have negotiated in the past. It was concern for the fans that drove the owners to concern themselves with the control of player rights while giving up concessions that allowed for this tremendous increase in compensation that we've seen in the last decade. To put it mildly, the NHLPA outsmarted the braintrust of the NHL. Now the owners are going to likely have to give up the very item they wanted in order to get their operating costs in order. That thought doesn't appeal to me. We are likely to see free agency at 25 or 25 years of age so for example we would lose control over the playing rights of our top line at the expiration of their current contracts. It's baseball all over again.

The NHL has to get the union to capitulate but the NHLPA is not stupid. They know that this round they will be lucky to get anything significant and all they can hope for is to use stalling tactics and hope that public pressure (like an email or letter campaign) forces the NHL ownership to once again agree to a deal that is not in its best interests. I'm actually all for a long lockout. In the long run it may be the best thing for the game. It sucks as a fan but I want to enjoy the product I'm watching on the ice.

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everyone and his grandmother (that watches hockey anyway) pretty much knows theres a lockout coming.

...as baseball fans did to avert a possible lockout in their sport.

As a fan of the National Hockey League, as well as and ardent consumer and supporter of our game, I find talk of an impending lockout ...

At a time when the regular, blue-collar type family that put the NHL in the position it is in now can barely afford single games, much less season tickets, for some to insist that there is not a solution to prevent a lockout ...
You keep using the word lockout. It is not a lockout. A lockout is when the owners of the NHL teams lock their doors and refuse to allow the players in. If anything it is more of a strike. A strike is when the players refuse to play until certain conditions are met. The best words to describe the impasse is work stopage. A work stopage is when their is no CBA and the neither the players nor the owners will risk playing without one.

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You keep using the word lockout. It is not a lockout. A lockout is when the owners of the NHL teams lock their doors and refuse to allow the players in. If anything it is more of a strike. A strike is when the players refuse to play until certain conditions are met. The best words to describe the impasse is work stopage. A work stopage is when their is no CBA and the neither the players nor the owners will risk playing without one.
Wrong again Toni. Bob Goodenow and Gary Bettman have already referred to it as a potential lock out. The players under the NHLPA are quite prepared to play under the current terms of the CBA and the owners are not, hence, it would be a lockout called by the owners.

I for one am hopeful that many issues will get resolved in hockey including the rules which according to Colin Campbell they are reviewing and studying many potential rule changes and are quite prepared to take some radical action to improve and open up the game. I'm with hbk, a long lock out could serve the game and it's fans well. In the meantime the WHA is gaining momentum and will make several announcements at the upcoming winter meetings.

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Wrong again Toni. Bob Goodenow and Gary Bettman have already referred to it as a potential lock out. The players under the NHLPA are quite prepared to play under the current terms of the CBA and the owners are not, hence, it would be a lockout called by the owners.

I for one am hopeful that many issues will get resolved in hockey including the rules which according to Colin Campbell they are reviewing and studying many potential rule changes and are quite prepared to take some radical action to improve and open up the game. I'm with hbk, a long lock out could serve the game and it's fans well. In the meantime the WHA is gaining momentum and will make several announcements at the upcoming winter meetings.
semantics shmemantics, i just want both sides to quit *****footing around and fix this crap

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Wrong again Toni. Bob Goodenow and Gary Bettman have already referred to it as a potential lock out. The players under the NHLPA are quite prepared to play under the current terms of the CBA and the owners are not, hence, it would be a lockout called by the owners.

I for one am hopeful that many issues will get resolved in hockey including the rules which according to Colin Campbell they are reviewing and studying many potential rule changes and are quite prepared to take some radical action to improve and open up the game. I'm with hbk, a long lock out could serve the game and it's fans well. In the meantime the WHA is gaining momentum and will make several announcements at the upcoming winter meetings.
1) What do you care? You are no longer an NHL fan but an NCAA fan.
2) What's the purpose of you calling me Toni? You are such a wimp. Go cause your drama queen trouble some place else.
3) You, Goodenow and Bettman don't know what they are talking about regarding that term. As I already explained a lockout is when management locks their doors until labour changes. A strike is when labour walks out on management. Just because Goodenow and Bettman have used the term it does not mean they used it correctly. Only a drama Queen would follow that blind path of thinking.

Go post on the NCAA board, whiner.


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We should start a poll.. Who just thinks your guys fued should just be dropped.. I agree with both of you and also disagree most of the time but all opions should be welcomed here..

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1) What do you care? You are no longer an NHL fan but an NCAA fan.
2) What's the purpose of you calling me Toni? You are such a wimp. Go cause your drama queen trouble some place else.
3) You, Goodenow and Bettman don't know what they are talking about regarding that term. As I already explained a lockout is when management locks their doors until labour changes. A strike is when labour walks out on management. Just because Goodenow and Bettman have used the term it does not mean they used it correctly. Only a drama Queen would follow that blind path of thinking.

Go post on the NCAA board, whiner.
The name thing was just a typo, honestly Tony, maybe because of the idiot that uses your name on the Phoenix board it just stuck in my mind. I think you answered this minor debate yourself "alockout is when management locks their doors until labour changes". Well, that's exactly what is happening here. Bettman is hired by mgt. to represent them and they have indicated that they will lock the doors until certain labour changes "cost certainty" are met. End of debate. Just because I post on this board does not mean I watch the NHL these days but I have not given up hope since Colin Cambell and Mike Murphy have both indicated that changes are forthcoming to help open up the game. As for the NCAA if you ever get back to real hockey country you should try it. You may just join me in thinking it's the most entertaining and affordable hockey available to fans of the sport. The atmosphere is tremendous. The action is fast paced and unpredictable and is much better live than on television unlike the NHL that needs excitable announcers to make most games at least sound exciting.

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