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07-06-2012, 09:29 PM
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#1/#2 Defenceman to Detroit

With the reitrement of Brian Rafalski last year, and the retirement of Nick Lidstrom along with the departure of Brad Stuart this year; Detroit has essentially seen 75% of their Top-4 disappear in two years.

After missing out on Suter, there's no question that filling out their D should be Detroit's #1 priority. (Whether Kenny Holland will do anything about it is an entirely different question.)

So my question is, what high-caliber defenceman would your team be willing to let go of, and what would the cost be?

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07-06-2012, 09:31 PM
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With the reitrement of Brian Rafalski last year, and the retirement of Nick Lidstrom along with the departure of Brad Stuart this year; Detroit has essentially seen 75% of their Top-4 disappear in two years.

After missing out on Suter, there's no question that filling out their D should be Detroit's #1 priority. (Whether Kenny Holland will do anything about it is an entirely different question.)

So my question is, what high-caliber defenceman would your team be willing to let go of, and what would the cost be?
With the cost UFA dmen are costing this offseason I dont see many teams if any will be willing to let go of a top 4 dman. And if they do its gonna cost alot and there will be alot of competition.

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Anytime trading a 1 or 2 requires a core player going back.

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07-06-2012, 09:36 PM
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Why does it seem like Wings fans hate Holland all of a sudden?

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I wanna say Keith Ballard but I don't even think he's really on the block anymore. Not that DET and VAN would be likely trade partners anyway.

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Why does it seem like Wings fans hate Holland all of a sudden?
I would think it would be a minority of the fanbase. I cannot imagine the majority of the fans feeling this way but I do agree with what you are saying when you read some of the remarks made about him.

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07-06-2012, 09:42 PM
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Why does it seem like Wings fans hate Holland all of a sudden?
Because losing one player to retirement and another to family followed by not replacing them with the only free agent that fit the bill going to play close to home with a friend makes Holland a crap GM. (Especially after not giving Carle a 6 year 33 million contract)

Now the wings could try and trade for a #1/#2 D man, but a team trading Dmen will likely want forwards and the only roster forwards the wings can trade with any value are Filppula and Franzen, both of which have their value hurt by their contracts. (Filppula only 1 year, Franzen too many years)

Other GMs aren't idiots, there is no magic #1 Dman coming out of the hat. Sooner wings fans realize this the better.


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Since alot of Wings fans are gonna be in this thread would like to ask them a question. Where you guys in on Carle at all? Or did Holland not make a play for him after losing out on Suter?

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Since alot of Wings fans are gonna be in this thread would like to ask them a question. Where you guys in on Carle at all? Or did Holland not make a play for him after losing out on Suter?
They gave him an offer of 5m per year. The term is unknown though.

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The rangers would probably be Open to shipping something over in exchange for some forward youth that we could ship to Columbus for nash

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Why does it seem like Wings fans hate Holland all of a sudden?
We don't hate him. Some of us are very upset that after failing to snag Suter, Holland tried to feed the fanbase his same "We tried hard and couldn't get it done, but we like are team going forward" BS he's been spewing the past couple of years. This has given us the idea that this is more or less a cop out from having to answer to having done nothing to improve the team when there moves that could have been made.

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Why does it seem like Wings fans hate Holland all of a sudden?
Just pure frustration, Holland knew this was coming; Lidstrom's and Rafalski's retirement weren't a surprise to anyone, and Stuart has been talking about going home for a while now.

It just seems like he hasn't done anything at all to try and prepare for this offseason, (unless you consider trading a 1st rounder for 3 months of Quincey an improvement). Instead he gambled everything on this year's UFA crop. And while you can't directly blame him for having Suter and Parise sign with Minny; you can blame him for refusing to do anything in the years previous and putting us in a situation where losing out on Suter & Parise leave us crippled.

His excuse for not doing anything has always been "market was too expensive" and "we have a good team, we just had bad luck with injuries". Which is ironic because now if Detroit wants to make a trade they'll have to pay significantly more than they would have before because it's a known fact that they're desprate.

On top of all this, the highlight of this years highly coveted FA Frenzy for Detroit, will likely be bringing back 35 year old Samuelsson,a third liner who will most likely be forced to play a second line role.

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I would think it would be a minority of the fanbase. I cannot imagine the majority of the fans feeling this way but I do agree with what you are saying when you read some of the remarks made about him.
Visit our boards, pick any thread you'd like, read the first 5 posts you see, and tell me if that opinion changes.

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'Pending on the Canucks future moves, Ballard may be available. I know he doesn't fit the criteria of #1 or #2, and I doubt the Canucks would expect a big return, but it is an option.

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'Pending on the Canucks future moves, Ballard may be available. I know he doesn't fit the criteria of #1 or #2, and I doubt the Canucks would expect a big return, but it is an option.
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Dion Phaneuf for... Teemu Pulkkinen and uh... next year's... first... round pick? Plus.. uh.... Jo- uh yeah.... Jonathon Ericcson? Is that, sometihing that would... be a trade? What?

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With the reitrement of Brian Rafalski last year, and the retirement of Nick Lidstrom along with the departure of Brad Stuart this year; Detroit has essentially seen 75% of their Top-4 disappear in two years.

After missing out on Suter, there's no question that filling out their D should be Detroit's #1 priority. (Whether Kenny Holland will do anything about it is an entirely different question.)

So my question is, what high-caliber defenceman would your team be willing to let go of, and what would the cost be?

If you had a highscoring winger possibly Staal or Del Zotto, depending on the winger ofc. But you don't have good enough fwd's to get those players IMO. Since Datsyuk and Zetterberg are untouchable that is. Franzen or Filpulla are good players but they're older and not as good or valueable as MDZ or Staal. Sorry.

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Dion Phaneuf for... Teemu Pulkkinen and uh... next year's... first... round pick? Plus.. uh.... Jo- uh yeah.... Jonathon Ericcson? Is that, sometihing that would... be a trade? What?
I like the insecurity (albeit fake obviously) you capture the insecurity of your avatar ''George'' .

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Scuderi could be had I bet from the Kings. Not a #1 though. More like a #3. Stay at home leader with 2 cups.

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question would you be mad at Holland if he turned down trades for a top dman because it would involve Dats or zetts going out?????

sometimes a trade that doesnt get done because its for a good reason.

as for going after Suter...sometimes a good team just doesnt get the player








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