That is the point. That contract under our financial conditions is probably going to cost us a quality forward this year or at least half of this year...hello Tedenby!
How can you say this when we are days removed from offering Parise a massive contract?
"I think that if you take any player, even if he is "dead wood," and start promoting him, you'll get a star," he told Yahoo! Sports. "Especially if he scores 100 points. No one is going to care about anyone else. No one is going to care whether he possesses great skill. Let's say you put someone in front of the net and let him deflect pucks in, and he scored 50 goals; everyone will say "Wow!" and then hand him a $10 million per year contract. That's what they like here."
How about 35 goals from below the circles and pay him $12 million a year?
Just found out someone I work with is friends with someone in the Devils ownership group (on the side trying to get out). I'll be sure to pump him for inside info as to that whole end of it...
Anyways, apparently there's belief that the Parise/Suter contracts will be voided because of something to do with the guaranteed money vs. potential for lockout. I don't know what in the CBA provides for that, but that's what I heard. Nonetheless, there's no expectation or hope Parise comes back even if that happens. I asked about potential tampering charges and there wasn't any knowledge about that.
Interesting Goose - likely the NHL may reject them but Minn just restructures he deals and all is good. They will not get penalized like we were. What's done is done and Parise is gone. I acknowledge that but my wish is that we can somehow regain that 1st round pick on an appeal, especially if you look at all of these other deals (Luongo, Richards, Wisnewski, Ehrhoff, Parise, Sue, etc.) that clearly violate the "spirit of the CBA" by severely front loading these deals. We've already paid the $3mil and a 3rd rounder. I really want us to just use these Parise's deal combined with the others to lessen the penalty...even dropping the 1st to a 2nd rounder would be fine with me...
This thread has steadily but surely drifted into the absurd.
Kovalchuk's contract may be what it is, but his cap hit is reasonable. I'd rather have Kovalchuk at 6.6M than Parise at 7.5M. I would have liked to keep Zach, but he's a ****, so what can you do.
Kovalchuk's real money salary this year is big. It's that stage of the deal where he's getting significant cash. But we offered big money to Parise. We also have a small difference between real money and cap money this year. What was it? $2M? So there's no financial crisis that is going to force us to ice a sub-par team. We can afford Semin, if he wants to come here. We can afford to take a flyer on a Doan or a Mueller if we so choose.
I don't get the arguments. People are jumped on sometimes unnecessarily for expressing an unpopular opinion. Message boards would be boring as all hell if the rule was post things everyone nods to.
Note: Jim's somewhat drunken ramblings were very amusing however. I still like the Chinese food order!
We all know that Zach is an excellent hockey player - just not worth $98 million over 13 years!
W still don't think Kovy is worth 100 mil over 15 but hey, we;re certainly grateful tohave him and he's more than worth the 6.66 cap hit - don't think Zach AND Suter are worth 7.5.
That is the point. That contract under our financial conditions is probably going to cost us a quality forward this year or at least half of this year...hello Tedenby!
Exactly. Let's not forget that...
We are paying two superstars for the price of one. It's real money that needs to be taken into consideration here, not the cap hit. The salary cap is a imaginerie bar made up by the NHL, it has nothing to do with our actual bank account.
Regarldess, I'd take him over Parise when comparing both deals but that's not the point here.
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There's too much made of this previous "way of doing business". The IK signing didn't shake the core of how we do business - the current state of the League under the current CBA did. What team in the NHL is icing a competitive roster using our old business model??
That's the thing, we're a unique organisation and it's a known fact around the league. Lou is a no ******** type of guy and he runs his ship real tight. He has his certain ways and demands and you either go with them or you end up somewhere else. I'm not saying other teams are just country clubs but everyone knows how Lou is, so yeah.
Players know that and that's why Marty was so loyal to him cause he gave more then just a paycheck. He makes sure that everyone is taking care of and the little things he does (going to airport to great a player) isn't something you see everywhere. Since Lou has been in charge, haven't we made the playoffs at a alarming rate? Isn't that what everyone wants to achieve after 82 games?
Players should want to come here, just like Detroit, cause not making the playoffs is a ***** and we've been lucky to be there more often then not over the past two decades... and dominate.
Interesting Goose - likely the NHL may reject them but Minn just restructures he deals and all is good. They will not get penalized like we were. What's done is done and Parise is gone. I acknowledge that but my wish is that we can somehow regain that 1st round pick on an appeal, especially if you look at all of these other deals (Luongo, Richards, Wisnewski, Ehrhoff, Parise, Sue, etc.) that clearly violate the "spirit of the CBA" by severely front loading these deals. We've already paid the $3mil and a 3rd rounder. I really want us to just use these Parise's deal combined with the others to lessen the penalty...even dropping the 1st to a 2nd rounder would be fine with me...
Yeah, I was looking at the Richards, Erhoff, and Myers deals as comparisons, and I don't see what would make the Parise/Suter ones rejectable. Plenty of other players got signing bonuses, including Marty and Sal, so who knows. To me, it doesn't make sense, but what do I know.
Just found out someone I work with is friends with someone in the Devils ownership group (on the side trying to get out). I'll be sure to pump him for inside info as to that whole end of it...
Anyways, apparently there's belief that the Parise/Suter contracts will be voided because of something to do with the guaranteed money vs. potential for lockout. I don't know what in the CBA provides for that, but that's what I heard. Nonetheless, there's no expectation or hope Parise comes back even if that happens. I asked about potential tampering charges and there wasn't any knowledge about that.
While that would be funny I don't want him back. I don't want him back at all. It's like the girlfriend who left you, and the guy she left you for dumped her on her ass, and she comes crawling back to you.
Yeah, I was looking at the Richards, Erhoff, and Myers deals as comparisons, and I don't see what would make the Parise/Suter ones rejectable. Plenty of other players got signing bonuses, including Marty and Sal, so who knows. To me, it doesn't make sense, but what do I know.
That's the thing, no one knows, not even the guys making the decisions
We went round in round about it when we got "caught" when we just pushed the issue a bit but at the end of the day, doing a "lesser" crime seems to be approved, so that's just the route we'll have to take... if we end up throwing a huge deal like that in the future (plz Larsson being a stud #1 d-men).
Scored 11 last year, in only 10mins of ice time in 63 games.
I wouldn't mind, although I would prefer Wellwood. I think Bernier is probably going to get pushed up to the third line and Barch will take his spot on the fourth, but who knows.
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Can Semin and Mueller sign here? If both of them do the league would fine us our first round picks
I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of getting Mueller. He's not getting a long term deal, he has skills, is very injury prone wich won't cost us all that much and if Barch can keep everyone in check , we'll be good.
Please let me hear your argument that ANY of the top 6 was better than ANY of the bottom 6 for the ENTIRE playoffs.
I want to hear this. Because the bottom 6 carried the devils in all 4 rounds...tell me different.
First of all, do not forget that Kovy led this team in goals/points for the PO's. Zajac also made some huge contributions.
Secondly, I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here. I agree the success of the bottom 6 was crucial to the playoff run (as it is in any playoff run). My point is, you are defeating your own arguments (all the ramblings about "shaking the core of the team" and Kovy). Clearly none of that prevented this team from obtaining a solid bottom 6 and being successful in the PO's.
First of all, do not forget that Kovy led this team in goals/points for the PO's. Zajac also made some huge contributions.
Secondly, I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here. I agree the success of the bottom 6 was crucial to the playoff run (as it is in any playoff run). My point is, you are defeating your own arguments (all the ramblings about "shaking the core of the team" and Kovy). Clearly none of that prevented this team from obtaining a solid bottom 6 and being successful in the PO's.
Agreed. Every team needs its top 6 to shut down the other teams top lines if they are not contributing offensively. It works both ways with the top and bottom 6.
That's the thing, we're a unique organisation and it's a known fact around the league. Lou is a no ******** type of guy and he runs his ship real tight. He has his certain ways and demands and you either go with them or you end up somewhere else. I'm not saying other teams are just country clubs but everyone knows how Lou is, so yeah.
Players know that and that's why Marty was so loyal to him cause he gave more then just a paycheck. He makes sure that everyone is taking care of and the little things he does (going to airport to great a player) isn't something you see everywhere. Since Lou has been in charge, haven't we made the playoffs at a alarming rate? Isn't that what everyone wants to achieve after 82 games?
Players should want to come here, just like Detroit, cause not making the playoffs is a ***** and we've been lucky to be there more often then not over the past two decades... and dominate.
Didn't answer my question though. What team in the NHL is icing a competitive roster using our old business model??
, we'll be good.
