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Is Peter Forsberg considered an elite goal scorer?

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07-06-2012, 07:39 PM
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one of the best players to ever play the game

PERIOD.

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07-06-2012, 07:47 PM
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He was consider someone with very good ability to score (and when some player on the avs miss a good scoring chance you could have heard if this was Forsberg the Av's would have scored).

But not an elite goal scorer for sure, someone with the ability to do so big maybe, being one for sure not.

Hull was an elite goal scorer, Ovechkin, right now Stamkos.

Maybe that in some context Forsberg could have done a Crosby and start scoring 50 goal instead of having 70 assist, probably, but this is speculation.

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07-06-2012, 08:02 PM
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Great player, elite playmaker but absolutely not an elite goal scorer. Any hypothetical "he could have been a great goal scorer if..." arguments are exactly that. Hypothetical.


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07-06-2012, 08:08 PM
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Watching these videos just makes me sad that he wasn`t truly healthy. The guy was a complete beast and played like it.

To answer your question he is far from an elite goal scorer.

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07-06-2012, 08:17 PM
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did he really need a 50 goal campaign to prove himself as being an elite goal scorer?
He never broke 35.

What was the point again?

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07-06-2012, 08:22 PM
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He never broke 35.

What was the point again?
well not many people did score over 35goals in the late 90's...

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07-06-2012, 08:33 PM
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well not many people did score over 35goals in the late 90's...
Not many people are elite goal scorers.

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07-06-2012, 08:44 PM
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Forsberg even admits himself that he wasn't a very good goalscorer.

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07-06-2012, 08:49 PM
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I think his high skill which allowed him to score pretty goals might have given you the impression that he was an elite goal scorer, but make no mistake, he was an elite playmaker and a decent goal scorer.

Think of Datsyuk, would you consider him an elite goal scorer?

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07-06-2012, 08:50 PM
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Statements like these are absurd.

Forsberg (and every hockey player on the planet) developed his style of play at a very young age. It's not something that you just "flip a switch" and become a better goal scorer if you set your mind to it.

Very rarely do players add such elements to their games by sheer will. The only player that comes to mind is Steve Yzerman when he went from a one dimensional offensive star to an incredible 200 foot player. It's no wonder considering that he had the best coach of all time behind him, though.
Crosby sure improved his goal scoring the last few years by intentionally working on adding elite goal scoring to his repetoire. Spezza now works at and scores a lot more goals then he did earlier in his career when he was predominantly the set up guy on the Pizza Line. Forsberg almost certainly could have focused on scoring goals more and been successful. But he didn't so you can't give him credit for being an elite goal scorer.

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07-06-2012, 08:51 PM
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Forsberg scored the right goals at the right time.

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07-06-2012, 08:54 PM
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No. He was a elite playmaker with goal scoring ability.

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07-06-2012, 08:55 PM
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Ha, I was expecting this response. Contrary to popular belief, Crosby did not just work on his shot one summer and come back a much better goal scorer in October

Crosby broke into the league as a 35+ goal scorer. He was always a prolific goal scorer, it just took a couple seasons for him to reach his full goal scoring potential.

It is not something he just did on sheer will or something he "set his mind to".
What about Ryan Kesler? He went from a guy who plays a crash and bang north-south grinder game without much of a shot and zero playmaking ability, then went on to put up 50 assists one season, and then 40 goals the next, I would say mostly out of sheer will rather than god-given talent.

He was alright at the lower levels, but nothing that would have lead you to think he had that kind of potential.

Now he's reverted back a bit, though.

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07-06-2012, 09:28 PM
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What about Ryan Kesler? He went from a guy who plays a crash and bang north-south grinder game without much of a shot and zero playmaking ability, then went on to put up 50 assists one season, and then 40 goals the next, I would say mostly out of sheer will rather than god-given talent.

He was alright at the lower levels, but nothing that would have lead you to think he had that kind of potential.

Now he's reverted back a bit, though.
Again, I think it was more just natural development then some sort of switch in his head that he flipped.


What I'm talking about is people who say "Datsyuk could put up 100 if he didnt focus on defense" or "Giroux would score 40 if he didnt pass the puck so much". Players generally dont consciously decide which type of style to play. It's something they develop starting from when they were very little.

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07-06-2012, 10:29 PM
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He was in the playoffs. But I don't really think there's a big difference between scoring the goal and getting an assist by shooting the puck into the net off your team-mates stick, which many of his assist where. So what does it really matter if he was an elite goal scorer or not? He was elite at making his team put the puck in the other team's goal.

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07-06-2012, 10:40 PM
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No.

Even if you take his playoff career totals, and prorate them to an 82 game season, he comes out to about 35 goals per 82 games, which is much better than his regular season totals, but still not incredible. Mind you, his assists per game in the playoffs was noticeably lower than his assists per game in the regular season.

His three best playoff seasons, 96, 99 and 02, he scored on average about .45 goals per game, which translates to about 35 goals per season. I'm obviously not going to count seasons like 2006 where he scored 4 goals in 6 games, as 6 games is far too small a sample size to consider a full post season.

So overall I would say that he certainly could have scored more than he did (in the regular season at least), but then that would decrease his overall offensive ability. If his goals increase, his assists decrease by an even greater amount. Forsberg played to his strengths as a playmaker rather than trying to pot goals when there were better options.

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07-06-2012, 10:46 PM
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When he decided to he could do it as well as anybody but his instincts are to be a playmaker

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07-06-2012, 10:53 PM
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That's like saying Henrik Sedin is an elite goal scorer because he could score 60 in a season if he decided to pretend that the net was his brother.

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07-06-2012, 10:58 PM
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No. Foppa was a Floppa in Nashville. They needed goals. He scored 2 goals in 17 games, then got hurt. That rate works out to 9 or 10 goals in 82 games.

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07-06-2012, 11:09 PM
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Crosby sure improved his goal scoring the last few years by intentionally working on adding elite goal scoring to his repetoire. Spezza now works at and scores a lot more goals then he did earlier in his career when he was predominantly the set up guy on the Pizza Line. Forsberg almost certainly could have focused on scoring goals more and been successful. But he didn't so you can't give him credit for being an elite goal scorer.
Crosby broke into the league as an elite goal scorer. He continued to develop and now he's a 50-60 goal threat. He didnt fundamentally change his game to score more goals-- he's always had a goal scoring touch, and he's just gotten better. There's a difference.

And Spezza? Even on the pizza line he was a 30+ goal guy. He still is. No fundamental change there either.


I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying. A player can develop their scoring touch, just like, say, Giroux has developed his playmaking ability naturally over the years. A player can not change who he is as a player. Like I said, the only real example I can think of such a fundamental shift is Steve Yzerman.

Forsberg couldnt have been an elite goal scorer by simply "focusing on it".

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07-06-2012, 11:14 PM
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Forsberg couldnt have been an elite goal scorer by simply "focusing on it".
Your negative vibes couldn't have helped.

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07-06-2012, 11:17 PM
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Your negative vibes couldn't have helped.
Hey, Peter Forsberg got me into hockey-- nothing but positive vibes here. You just wont see me saying Erik Karlsson could be a supreme shut down defender if he "focused less" on putting up points

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07-07-2012, 12:45 AM
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He didn't have the greatest shot but he could have been if he wanted to.

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07-07-2012, 01:08 AM
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i read HFboards so im under the assumption that Not only did Forsberg invent hockey, but he invented scoring as well. With Women.


edit - to avoid any confusion, he also invented women

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I would like to introduce you to one Sidney Crosby.
What did Crosby "develop"? Every element of his game was in his game from the time he broke in to the League. If you're trying to say goal-scoring...well, no. He's always been a prolific scorer. He always knew how to score. He's never had a season with under thirty goals (on pace for at least). He honed that skill like he's done with his entire game, but it's not like he created an entirely new style for himself. He was never some super-defined playmaker and then all of a sudden showed this scoring-prowess he never had before.

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