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07-07-2012, 01:04 PM
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Thats just brutal, no way Bergiven does this, if you give OEL, Yandle and Gormley, I'd think he'd accept
OEL and Yandle have more or equal value to any of those players. The best player is OEL ainec. You want those three, Galchenyuk and Subban better be coming back... and then some.

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07-07-2012, 01:17 PM
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Ya...that is even worst for the Habs as Vermette is not at the level of Plekanec and Beaulieu is more then a 2nd rounder in value. Gomez would likely be a throw in in case the 'Yotes have issues reaching the cap floor, I have no clue if they are over, and people need to realize while his cap hit is $7.8M I believe he is only getting paid $4.5M in real dollars.
I'm very impressed with the Montreal players -- except Gomez. I don't think Phoenix gives up OEL. And if they do, it won't be for the privilege of taking on Gomez.

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07-07-2012, 01:17 PM
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OEL=Galchenyuk
OEL>Pacioretty
OEL>>Subban

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07-07-2012, 01:22 PM
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Terrible terrible deal for Montreal.

I know OEL is the flavor of the month, but he's at best a marginal upgrade on subban.

Plekanec >> Vermette
Beaulieu >> 2nd rd pick

No way moving gomez's contract will cost that much.

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07-07-2012, 01:27 PM
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considering the habs are part owners of the coyotes via revenue sharing, i think we should trade gomez for oel straight up.

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07-07-2012, 01:28 PM
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OEL=Galchenyuk
OEL>Pacioretty
OEL>>Subban


LOL okay

OEL >>>> Reilly

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07-07-2012, 01:29 PM
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Is any Coyotes fan, or any other fan for that matter, going to back up, or provide some sort of evidence as to how OEL is better than Subban?

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07-07-2012, 01:34 PM
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Is any Coyotes fan, or any other fan for that matter, going to back up, or provide some sort of evidence as to how OEL is better than Subban?
you're gonna get hab haters to come so its pointless, HF is not the best place to garner an accurate assessment of value.

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07-07-2012, 01:35 PM
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Is any Coyotes fan, or any other fan for that matter, going to back up, or provide some sort of evidence as to how OEL is better than Subban?
OEL and McDonaugh are HF's golden boys. No need for rational justifications or fact-based comparisons. All you need to know is this:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1225303

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07-07-2012, 01:35 PM
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OEL=Galchenyuk
OEL>Pacioretty
OEL>>Subban
Ya sure...

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07-07-2012, 01:37 PM
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OEL=Galchenyuk
OEL>Pacioretty
OEL>>Subban
I would consider Subban more valuable than Galchenyuk, but that's just my opinion. They could become equal a year or two from now. Both cornerstones and both won't be traded.

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07-07-2012, 01:43 PM
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OEL and McDonaugh are HF's golden boys. No need for rational justifications or fact-based comparisons. All you need to know is this:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1225303


reminds me of the thread where steve mason had as many votes as carey price as to who was the better goalie 2 years ago.

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07-07-2012, 01:50 PM
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you're gonna get hab haters to come so its pointless, HF is not the best place to garner an accurate assessment of value.
It's not just Habs haters, OEL is a tad overrated right now by the mass majority, not as much as McDonagh though.

In case anyone wants to do a poll I suggest not adding one and only have people present arguments, I'd actually want to see what the OEL side can come up with for him to be AINEC better than anyone (read: Subban) in this package.

I won't even touch the topic of Galchenyuk, you shouldn't even be allowed to type his name on this forum.

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OEL and Yandle have more or equal value to any of those players. The best player is OEL ainec. You want those three, Galchenyuk and Subban better be coming back... and then some.

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07-07-2012, 02:09 PM
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subban in his first playoffs, had 8 points in 14 games.
oel this year had 4 points in 16 games.

i'm not just sayin' i'm sayin.

but right OEL >> SUBBAN AINEC.

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07-07-2012, 02:12 PM
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To Montreal:

Ekman-Larsson, Vermette, 2013 2nd round pick

To Phoenix:

Plekanec, Subban, Beaulieu, Gomez
WOW! I would say the GM in Phoenix wouldn't even answer the phone for that trade.

Horrible how Habs fans overvalue their crap.

Ekman-Larsson > Subban

Vermette > Plekanec (in Tippetts system)

2nd rd pick > Gomez and Beaulieu (cause of the salary for Gomez)

NO FRIGGIN WAY

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07-07-2012, 02:15 PM
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WOW! I would say the GM in Phoenix wouldn't even answer the phone for that trade.

Horrible how Habs fans overvalue their crap.

Ekman-Larsson > Subban

Vermette > Plekanec (in Tippetts system)

2nd rd pick > Gomez and Beaulieu (cause of the salary for Gomez)

NO FRIGGIN WAY
and it's fun to see are you overvalue yours!!!

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07-07-2012, 03:00 PM
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...and I told you before
OUR GUYS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS
Oliver will only get better
You can tell that his offense will improve and next season he is expected to be paired with a better (and healthier player)
Playing Coach Tippet's style of hockey will tend to hurt some players stats while some players stats will look better, it's about the role they play and the players around them, so comparing 1 player on 1 team to a player on another team without thinking that it's more about winning the game does not make any sense...

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07-07-2012, 03:15 PM
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You're underrating Vermette. He's a very, very good player.

And personally, it'd take a lot more than Beaulieu to make me want to take on Gomez, but I can only speak for cap teams.
Agreed.

However, for me personally, I'd rather send him down, or at worse keep him on the team than deal Beaulieu and potentially more just to get rid of Gomez for 2 years.

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07-07-2012, 03:28 PM
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Terrible terrible deal for Montreal.

I know OEL is the flavor of the month, but he's at best a marginal upgrade on subban.

Plekanec >> Vermette
Beaulieu >> 2nd rd pick

No way moving gomez's contract will cost that much.
My take exactly.

Also, trying to unload Gomez simply won't work. He's fallen so far in the last two years, that he's not even worth his actual salary, even for a team trying to get to the cap floor. They'd be better off overpaying for a guy who produces a little bit.

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WOW! I would say the GM in Phoenix wouldn't even answer the phone for that trade.

Horrible how Habs fans overvalue their crap.

Ekman-Larsson > Subban

Vermette > Plekanec (in Tippetts system)

2nd rd pick > Gomez and Beaulieu (cause of the salary for Gomez)

NO FRIGGIN WAY
Wow you really need to learn a little about hockey before you start calling Subban, Plekanec and Beaulieu crap.

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07-07-2012, 03:35 PM
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WOW! I would say the GM in Phoenix wouldn't even answer the phone for that trade.

Horrible how Habs fans overvalue their crap.

Ekman-Larsson > Subban

Vermette > Plekanec (in Tippetts system)

2nd rd pick > Gomez and Beaulieu (cause of the salary for Gomez)

NO FRIGGIN WAY
I think Plekanec would be great here. Would love to see him in brick red.

If we either weren't so stacked when it comes to defensive prospects, or Beaulieu was replaced with a promising forward prospect, I'd be intrigued by this proposal (not saying I would do it, but it'd be something to think about, I think). As it is though it seems like at best a lateral swap, with the addition of a prospect we don't need at the moment and an overpaid Gomez.

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07-07-2012, 03:52 PM
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What a horrible proposal. BIG NO from Habs.

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Wtf are you talking about? This is quantity and MUCHO QUALITY. Watch an other team than the 'Yotes from time to time mmkay?
As I said before, which you evidently didn't read:

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The value is there, like I said; but that's not what we are looking for.

If we were to deal either Yandle or OEL; we would need a package around a relatively young (ideally Yandle's age), NHL proven, top-line, game breaking forward coming back. There are very few teams that could spare such a player in a trade. And someone like Plakanec is not it. I don't think Mont has anyone in their organization that fits the bill, so we are not interested.

A couple of teams might have that type of quality and depth at forwards that could make such a deal, which are Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, St. Louis, Edmonton; and that's pretty much about it.

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07-07-2012, 05:47 PM
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WOW! I would say the GM in Phoenix wouldn't even answer the phone for that trade.

Horrible how Habs fans overvalue their crap.

Ekman-Larsson > Subban

Vermette > Plekanec (in Tippetts system)

2nd rd pick > Gomez and Beaulieu (cause of the salary for Gomez)

NO FRIGGIN WAY
Seriously? Vermette > plekanec? Really?

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07-07-2012, 05:54 PM
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More quantity for quality, so thatbwould be a resounding no. I don't think there is anyone on montreal (that could be reasonably available), that we would be interested in, especially for either Yandle or OEL.
I don't usually comment on others opinions of trade proposals on this site, but the post I quoted above is the stupidest thing I've ever read on this board.

Yes - Plekanec, Beaulieu and Subban are "quantity". Give your head a shake.

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