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07-07-2012, 01:39 PM
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Sabres-Islanders

To Buffalo:
RW Kyle Okposo (4y/$2.8m)
RW Nino Niederreiter (2y/$2.8)

To New York:
LW Drew Stafford (3y/$4m)
LHD Jordan Leopold (1yUFA/$3m)
2012 3rd round pick and a filler prospect OR one of D TJ Brennan/RW Corey Tropp and 2012 4th round pick)

+$1.4 million cap to New York

Okposo and Stafford are related players in a couple ways. Both spent time at Shattuck before attending college powers Minnesota and UND, respectively. Okposo was 7th overall in 2006 while Stafford was 13th in 2004. Stafford is a more physically impressive player at 6'2 220 compared to Okposo at 6' 200. Neither player has produced quite as expected to this point of their careers. Stafford, 26, has enjoyed slightly more success at every level including the NHL, scoring 31 G in 62 GP in 2010-11 and tallying 0.62 PPG/0.29 GPG to 24-year old Okposo's 0.59/0.25 in a sample size 120 games larger. However, Stafford has registered concerning seasons past his developmental years leading to questions of his consistency/true talent level. Some believe a change of scenery from Lindy Ruff would unlock his remaining potential. Okposo, from an admittedly outside perspective, seems to be following a similar career path, which could be seen as disappointing given his top-10 pedigree. He has been good thus far, yet to experience a breakout year and disappointing mid-20s years like Stafford. Okposo could be a better fit for Buffalo's young core.

Niederreiter is a prospect whose development is in turmoil depending on who you ask. Selected 5th in 2010, Nino produced in the WHL pre- and post-draft year but seemed unprepared for his NHL debut. From a non-Islanders fan perspective, it's unfathomable how he remained with the club for 55 games while registering only 1 point, a goal. None of us knows for sure whether the Isles overdrafted him or have damaged him in their development process, but two years removed from 2010 it appears that a selection in the mid-teens would have been more appropriate and that might be generous. The Sabres have a org. need for LW and perhaps Nino's resurrection would be more successful in an up-and-coming organization with a strong AHL team and coach (Ron Rolston).

Leopold is a former Hobey Baker winner with solid size (6'1 205), good mobility and good passing who could slot in on the left side of NY's second pair while playing PP and PK. The Sabres have a glut of dmen and Leopold seems most fitting for a trade. The Islanders could resign him at the end of the season as he is a player whose ability should match his contracts for the remainder of his career, or should they find themselves out of contention midseason they could deal him to a contender for at least a 2nd rounder. Brennan is a PP specialist who has held his own in brief NHL stints and IMO still has a bit of untapped potential as he picked up hockey from lacrosse relatively late. Tropp is a fairly versatile, hard-nosed forward who slotted in across all four lines in 34 NHL games last season.

From Buffalo's perspective, they get a younger and add a solid forward prospect while thinning out a cramped D-corps and jettisoning another troubled but very talented part of the core that most see as stale these days.

For New York, they get more experienced and talented at the NHL-level for a season that really needs to go well for the overall fortunes of the franchise. They also part ways with a prospect who has lost value since his draft and add some buffer from the cap floor.

Alternative idea...
To Buffalo:
RW Kyle Okposo (4y/$2.8m)
RW Nino Niederreiter (2y/$2.8)
2012 2nd round pick

To New York:
LW Drew Stafford (3y/$4m)
LHD Jordan Leopold (1yUFA/$3m)
RHD Mark Pysyk (23rd/2010)

Spent a little time on this to avoid the usual pitfalls of HFBoard proposals...

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07-07-2012, 01:42 PM
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I honestly don't see the incentive for the Islanders to make this deal.

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Pretty bad deal for the Islanders. Sabres are not a good trading partner with the Islanders

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Why on Earth would the Isles do that deal?

Milbury isn't their GM any more, so that's not it.....

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07-07-2012, 02:02 PM
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If you're still valuing Nino as the 5th overall pick, sure. If you value him like a 20th pick with a long-term developmental curve, I don't think it's bad. A mid to late 1st for Leopold would be his deadline value, so the 3rd makes up the difference in the off-season. Unless you all just think that Okposo is far better than Stafford...

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To Buffalo:
RW Kyle Okposo (4y/$2.8m)
RW Nino Niederreiter (2y/$2.8)

To New York:
LW Drew Stafford (3y/$4m)
LHD Jordan Leopold (1yUFA/$3m)
2012 3rd round pick and a filler prospect OR one of D TJ Brennan/RW Corey Tropp and 2012 4th round pick)

+$1.4 million cap to New York


Spent a little time on this to avoid the usual pitfalls of HFBoard proposals...


Why are the isles flipping 24 yr old Okposo for 26 yr old Stafford?Okposo's coming off a career high 24 goals and dirt cheap for the next 2 yrs of his deal.

With Vis,Streit,Hamonic and MacDonald in their top 4,the isles feel their top 4 is set.I doubt they want 1 yr old Leopold at the expense of Okposo or Nino.Nevermind both of them together.

Also,the isles don't seem to have soured on 19 yr old Nino.Some fans have.I doubt their opinions hold much sway with Snow.

You don't offer up 1 tempting trade chip to Snow.


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07-07-2012, 02:08 PM
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If you're still valuing Nino as the 5th overall pick, sure. If you value him like a 20th pick with a long-term developmental curve, I don't think it's bad. A mid to late 1st for Leopold would be his deadline value, so the 3rd makes up the difference in the off-season. Unless you all just think that Okposo is far better than Stafford...
NYI scout Ken Morrow, told James Mirtle the team erred n keeping Nino upin the NHL.

Looking at Morrow's comments and Snow offering all of his 2012 draft picks for Columbus 2nd overall,but not including Nino,I think it's a good bet that the isles still value the 19 yr old, as the 5th overall pick.

Snow won't be buying high and selling Nino low.

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There's roughly a snowball's chance in hell that the Isles would pony up to keep Leopold after this year, so this would be an awful deal for them.

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No from the Isles, Nino is gonna be a great player soon.

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NYI scout Ken Morrow, told James Mirtle the team erred n keeping Nino upin the NHL.

Looking at Morrow's comments and Snow offering all of his 2012 draft picks for Columbus 2nd overall,but not including Nino,I think it's a good bet that the isles still value the 19 yr old, as the 5th overall pick.

Snow won't be buying high and selling Nino low.
Now that you mention it, I guess now I can see the same GM and org who mistakenly wasted and stunted an entire year of a prized prospect (nice that they figured that out so quickly after the season ), the same guys who made that preposterous offer for the 2nd pick, bullheadedly valuing him as the 5th pick still.

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Now that you mention it, I guess now I can see the same GM and org who mistakenly wasted and stunted an entire year of a prized prospect (nice that they figured that out so quickly after the season ), the same guys who made that preposterous offer for the 2nd pick, bullheadedly valuing him as the 5th pick still.
So your lopsided deal is now somehow even because of this?

What a waste of a thread.


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07-07-2012, 02:24 PM
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Would be really funny if two really good friends (Stafford and Okposo) would be traded for each other. That being said, I don't see why the Isles would do.

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There's roughly a snowball's chance in hell that the Isles would pony up to keep Leopold after this year, so this would be an awful deal for them.
Fair enough, I thought they might be interested. I know you guys have some young D, wasn't sure how close they were or how you guys value them. I guess I don't know much about McDonald, you think he's a better player right now than Leopold? How about the deal with Pysyk? He'd fit nicely with your young D-corps

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So your lopsided deal is now somehow even because of this?

What a waste of a thread.

When I see two questionable decisions like that, I tend to believe that there may be more "interesting" thinking on the Island. Do you trust the two decisions that I referenced? Or do you trust that Nino is still the 5th best player in 2010? They might believe it, but I don't. I like him a lot, I want him in our system, but you're kidding yourself.

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No from the Sabres, as well.

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Now that you mention it, I guess now I can see the same GM and org who mistakenly wasted and stunted an entire year of a prized prospect (nice that they figured that out so quickly after the season ), the same guys who made that preposterous offer for the 2nd pick, bullheadedly valuing him as the 5th pick still.
Snow felt this wasn't a deep draft.
According to Staples,he valued his top choice at #2,more then players expected to be available at #4,who would be 2-3 yrs away from contributing.

And the fact that at 19 yrs old, Nino wasn't nhl ready,is not an embarrassment for Nino.It's an embarrassment for the gm+ owner who kept him up, instead of demoting him.

Who do you think you are kidding?If you did not see talent and potential in Nino,you would not be proposing a trade where your team acquires him.

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What would Islander fans want for either Okposo or Nino? I haven't seen a counter offer yet, these two players aren't untouchable I'd imagine...so what would it take then? Nobody values Stafford evidently...

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Let's not even look at this who is the better players. From a cap POV Okposo and Niederreiter will make 3M in actual dollars while getting a caphit of 5.6M. For a team as cheap as the Islanders when it comes to salary that's 2.6M of free capspace.

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What would Islander fans want for either Okposo or Nino? I haven't seen a counter offer yet, these two players aren't untouchable I'd imagine...so what would it take then? Nobody values Stafford evidently...
If the Ducks where legitimately trying to trade Ryan, Okposo and Nino is what I believe we would have to give up

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What would Islander fans want for either Okposo or Nino? I haven't seen a counter offer yet, these two players aren't untouchable I'd imagine...so what would it take then? Nobody values Stafford evidently...

I've no interest in moving either, unless they are keys to a package for a star.Unfortunately,I doubt Wang spends much until either 2015 or until he gets positive news on his arena.

Isles fans would love to get Ryan or Yandle,a young star several yrs from unrestricted free agency.Too bad they make $5m+.
And Snow's been hoarding picks/prospects since 2008,so adding more is not a real big deal.

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Let's not even look at this who is the better players. From a cap POV Okposo and Niederreiter will make 3M in actual dollars while getting a caphit of 5.6M. For a team as cheap as the Islanders when it comes to salary that's 2.6M of free capspace.



If the Ducks where legitimately trying to trade Ryan, Okposo and Nino is what I believe we would have to give up
Alright, thanks. Although I imagine you'd have to add some still.

To your cap space point though. If it's viewed as a positive that Okposo gets paid 2 mil this year when his cap hit is 2.8, giving you 0.8 mil in "free cap space" then won't it be a negative when in his last two years you lose 0.7 and 1.7 mil of cap space? I assume the team might be more willing to trade him then (depending on his play of couse)?

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When I see two questionable decisions like that, I tend to believe that there may be more "interesting" thinking on the Island. Do you trust the two decisions that I referenced? Or do you trust that Nino is still the 5th best player in 2010? They might believe it, but I don't. I like him a lot, I want him in our system, but you're kidding yourself.
The Islanders are crap, therefore the Islanders will trade all of their good young players to the Sabres because of "interesting thinking".

Absolute garbage proposal.

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Ok, but legitimate point that no Isles fans have addressed yet: Okposo's contract is backloaded. Do you really think they're going to keep him til the end of it and pay that out? At some point, it does seem likely that he will be traded, given the financial restrictions the club has.

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The Islanders are crap, therefore the Islanders will trade all of their good young players to the Sabres because of "interesting thinking".

Absolute garbage proposal.
I agree. They could use a tack like you in the front office, hell send over a resume ya never know. "All of your good young players" are a stud young top 6 winger and a kid who couldn't find even a secondary assist if he was standing over the back of a 1992 Topps Gretzky with a magnifying glass.

How about Hodgson, a 2nd and a 4th for Okposo?

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To your cap space point though. If it's viewed as a positive that Okposo gets paid 2 mil this year when his cap hit is 2.8, giving you 0.8 mil in "free cap space" then won't it be a negative when in his last two years you lose 0.7 and 1.7 mil of cap space? I assume the team might be more willing to trade him then (depending on his play of couse)?
That really isn't a problem for 2 more seasons, that being said I will be interested to see what the Islanders do then. It will be interesting to see if they keep him if he does become that 60+ point power winger we expected him to be over the coarse of the next 2 seasons

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