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07-07-2012, 02:25 PM
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Well, if Carlyle puts a Phoenix-style system of Defense, then I think he would do well.

Philly upgrades Luke to Ballard(although loses the upside) and downgrades Brayden to Kadri(although upside may be equal to or greater).
You are basically saying Toronto should give up it's 2nd best prospect, and a pick that could be top 10, in order to get a 2nd round pick and a goalie who looked below average AND is on one of the worst contracts in the league.

Just think if you were a Leaf fan for a second. We take on a nightmare contract and a low 2nd and give up a good prospect and likely a very good pick.

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07-07-2012, 02:27 PM
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NO!!!
You want up to trade a very good prospect and a first in a great draft for Bryz???
He was terrible last season.
Alright, I get it.

To Toronto: Bryzgalov
To Philly: Kadri, 2nd

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07-07-2012, 02:28 PM
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I don't know, getting Kadri a first, Lui, Ballard, and loosing Bryz?

Breakdown like this

Bryz< Luongo
Schenn <Ballard at the moment, could change in the future
Schenn>Kadri 1st first could be high if Bryz is playing for TO, sorry TO fans I just think that little of Bryz.

I think TO is the only team to get hosed, but like I said depends what they think of Bryz.
I agree that Bryz would mean our pick was high and we get screwed in the deal.
I dont agree that Brayden Schenn is > Kadri and a potentially high first.

Their NHL careers so far.
HF love fest elite prospect Brayden Schenn:
Games, Goals, Assists, Points +/-
63 12 8 20 -9

HF complete bust Nazim Kadri
Games, Goals, Assists, Points +/-
51 8 11 19 -2

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Hey they chose my title, Roberto Royale. It's simple but the syllables work, there's alliteration, and it subtlety suggests the battle that is contained in these threads. I don't think circumvention royale or contract royale has the same ring to it.

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Alright, I get it.

To Toronto: Bryzgalov
To Philly: Kadri, 2nd
Still no.

Bryz was terrible last season and is signed forever.

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This doesn't sound like something that would happen in reality.

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I would much rather pay a half decent price for Luo than to pay anything positive for Bryz to be completely honest.

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To Vancouver: Brayden + Luke Schenn
To Philly: Luongo + Ballard

To Toronto: Bryzgalov + 2nd
To Philly: Kadri + 1st

Yes? No? Maybe?
Awful from Leafs POV.

We can not afford to lose one of our top prospect and a 1st for Bryzgalov and a 2nd.

And I doubt Flyers would like to part with the Schenn brothers for Luongo.

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Quantum of SolongLu

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Ya Bryz is on a pretty awful contract. I think the Flyers are sinking or swimming with him at this point.

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I would much rather pay a half decent price for Luo than to pay anything positive for Bryz to be completely honest.
Yes....My plan to compare Luongo to the alternatives has shown that Luongo is worth paying value for.

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I would much rather pay a half decent price for Luo than to pay anything positive for Bryz to be completely honest.
There is nothing negative we have I would pay for Bryz at this point.

I wouldn't trade Lombardi, Connolly and Komisarik for Bryz.

Atleast all our bad contracts have 1 or 2 years left Bryz has about 8

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I would have preferred Casino Luongo but this works too

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Awful from Leafs POV.

We can not afford to lose one of our top prospect and a 1st for Bryzgalov and a 2nd.

And I doubt Flyers would like to part with the Schenn brothers for Luongo.
If it meant they somehow got Bryz off the books they might consider it

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Yes....My plan to compare Luongo to the alternatives has shown that Luongo is worth paying value for.
I said half decent price. He's still 32, he's still on a very long contract, and he's still a goalie. I wouldn't pay Kadri alone for him, even though I think he would be a difference maker here in Toronto.

Mostly because I dont know what going to happen with the cap, because we have some decent young goalies and because I still think Kadri will be an impact NHL player, just developing slower.

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I don't know, getting Kadri a first, Lui, Ballard, and loosing Bryz?

Breakdown like this

Bryz< Luongo
Schenn <Ballard at the moment, could change in the future
Schenn>Kadri 1st first could be high if Bryz is playing for TO, sorry TO fans I just think that little of Bryz.

I think TO is the only team to get hosed, but like I said depends what they think of Bryz.
Toronto's getting hosed no matter what. If I'm Philly though, I'm really only interested in Kadri and the 1st. Switching out one headcase goalie for a another with better numbers isn't really of interest though. In Philly, Luongo would get eaten alive by the fans.

It's not a horrible deal for Philly, but it's not great when you are talking about giving up the Brothers Schenn.

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Toronto's getting hosed no matter what. If I'm Philly though, I'm really only interested in Kadri and the 1st. Switching out one headcase goalie for a another with better numbers isn't really of interest though. In Philly, Luongo would get eaten alive by the fans.

It's not a horrible deal for Philly, but it's not great when you are talking about giving up the Brothers Schenn.
Luongo >>>> Bryz AINEC.

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There is nothing negative we have I would pay for Bryz at this point.

I wouldn't trade Lombardi, Connolly and Komisarik for Bryz.

Atleast all our bad contracts have 1 or 2 years left Bryz has about 8
Exactly.

The Leafs dont have a top farm, they dont have a top roster, but what they do have is good depth and a lot of future cap space. I'm willing to trudge through another disappointing season or two nd reap the benefits of this when our team has matured and the cap space is there. Taking on a deal like that would negate all the positives of our future cap plan.

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Toronto's getting hosed no matter what. If I'm Philly though, I'm really only interested in Kadri and the 1st. Switching out one headcase goalie for a another with better numbers isn't really of interest though. In Philly, Luongo would get eaten alive by the fans.

It's not a horrible deal for Philly, but it's not great when you are talking about giving up the Brothers Schenn.
Van fans are worse than Philly fans. And Luongo has done extremely well, considering.

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I would have preferred Casino Luongo but this works too
How in a million years in Casino Luongo better? the syllables don't work, there's no alliteration, or subtle suggestion, unless you're referring to Luongo liking poker, which has much less to do with this thread then a battle royale!

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Yes....My plan to compare Luongo to the alternatives has shown that Luongo is worth paying value for.
That wasn't a reasonable alternative. The real alternative is to go into next season with Reimer and Scrivens. Is it ideal? No but we wont tear our team or future apart for 1 player. It has to be a deal that works for both teams.

You know it seems that whenever we stop trying to argue over who has the advantage in here and start talking about players to trade we get pretty close but that doesn't seem to happen very often.

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Makes sense for both teams.

The Canucks would put Luongo on waivers before dumping him to the Hawks for scraps.

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3 way trade with Bryzgalov to Toronto and Luongo to Philly.
Couturier here we come!
Bryz could use a team with less media pressure and expectation, so Toronto would be perfect.

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This wouldn't happen, but come on. In the real world, a good goalie is worth more than a good forward, particularly to a team like Chicago that desperately needs a good goalie.

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Van fans are worse than Philly fans. And Luongo has done extremely well, considering.
In Philly they booed Santa Claus. Seriously, St. Nick!

Van fans are bad, as are T.O. fans... but it's a whole other level in Philly. They are ****ing brutal.

Regardless, I still don't see why Philly gives up that much value for a marginal upgrade in net, saddling themselves with an albatross contract in the process.

And Ballard, even last season, is not as good as Luke Schenn.

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