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07-07-2012, 12:45 PM
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Stalberg for Peverley?

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07-07-2012, 12:47 PM
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I'm going to be very blunt with this. If you're playing Jeremy Morin on the 3rd line, you don't know how to construct a hockey team.
And why exactly is he a top 6 forward? What has he proven?

Boston doesn't need to move Krejci. I don't understand why people seem to want to trade him so much. I guess Boston fans want to see something similar to how Claude Giroux took over the first line center role and flourished so they want to see that happen to Seguin but Giroux is also 4 years older and had an extra season of experience by that point. I'm personally perfectly fine with Seguin as a RW.

Boston could move him if the right return was available. The right return is a top line winger or top pairing PMD. Boston DOES NOT want prospects, ESPECIALLY forward prospects. Our top 9 right now has one player who will be a UFA at the end of this season (Horton) and aside from Chris Kelly (31), are all under 30 years old. Factor that in with young prospects who would make the cut on many other teams like Knight, Spooner, Caron, and Khokhlachev. When healthy, Rich Peverley plays on the 3rd line because there just isn't room for him on the first two. Think of it this way, if Boston is trading Krejci, we're looking for a winger who's AT THE VERY LEAST, better than Rich Peverley right now (and even then, another team would have to add if the return was a Peverley type player.) Boston DOES NOT want a package of lesser players either.

We are in a win now mode. I'm fine with Boston trading Krejci+ for an upgrade on the wings, I'm fine with trading Krejci+ for a top pairing PMD. I am not fine with trading Krejci for a top 4 defensive defenseman++. It makes 0 sense to downgrade right now. If a team doesn't want to work a deal centered around Krejci for a top line winger or top pairing PMD, fine, we're very happy with Krejci as it is. Just don't offer us a package of lesser players and prospects and then wonder why Boston isn't interested. Similar to how fans of other teams aren't interested in what you may consider a fair deal, value for value doesn't always make a trade fair.

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07-07-2012, 12:48 PM
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And why exactly is he a top 6 forward? What has he proven?
I said this before. He is a sniper. He scores goals. He doesn't play on checking lines. Either put him in the A or on your top 6.

What about this is so hard to understand?

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07-07-2012, 12:50 PM
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He absolutely cannot play on the bottom six, that's why. You don't put snipers on the bottom six. That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Until kid develop, I have no problem putting them on the third line.

The Bs have a balanced attack, much more so than other teams. Hed be playing with Kelly, 39 point defensive specialist, and Pevs who had 42 points in 57 games on the third line.

Point is, he will not be good enough, initially, to earn a top 6 spot on the Bs unless Horton is not ready at the start of the season. With that being said, we have our own high rated prospects and whos to say Morins any better than Spooner/Knight/Koko.

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07-07-2012, 12:53 PM
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Stalberg for Peverley?
Nope. Pevs had just as many points in 20 less games. He can swing into a top 6 role if/when Horton goes down. He can play center and wing. Hes highly valued by Bs brass.

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Until kid develop, I have no problem putting them on the third line.

The Bs have a balanced attack, much more so than other teams. Hed be playing with Kelly, 39 point defensive specialist, and Pevs who had 42 points in 57 games on the third line.

Point is, he will not be good enough, initially, to earn a top 6 spot on the Bs unless Horton is not ready at the start of the season. With that being said, we have our own high rated prospects and whos to say Morins any better than Spooner/Knight/Koko.
Well, you've been saying you guys like Patrick Sharp. Morin is basically a 21 year old Patrick Sharp. 30+ goal potential

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07-07-2012, 01:01 PM
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Well, you've been saying you guys like Patrick Sharp. Morin is basically a 21 year old Patrick Sharp. 30+ goal potential
We're in win mode now. Patrick Sharp has seasons of 30+ goals. Potential is not the same as proven talent. Krejci has had 3 of 4 seasons with 60+ points.

Morin has played 12 games. Its true, he has 30+ goal potential. So does Spooner, Knight and Koko.

The only way Krejci is going anywhere is if the Bs receive a top pairing PMD or a proven, goal scoring winger. We are not looking to the future. Seguin, Looch and Marsh are all under 25 and the rest of the top 6 is under 30. We arent too worried about the future.

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07-07-2012, 01:02 PM
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We're in win mode now. Patrick Sharp has seasons of 30+ goals. Potential is not the same as proven talent. Krejci has had 3 of 4 seasons with 60+ points.

Morin has played 12 games. Its true, he has 30+ goal potential. So does Spooner, Knight and Koko.

The only way Krejci is going anywhere is if the Bs receive a top pairing PMD or a proven, goal scoring winger. We are not looking to the future. Seguin, Looch and Marsh are all under 25 and the rest of the top 6 is under 30. We arent too worried about the future.
Sharp also has a NMC that I highly, highly doubt he would waive.

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07-07-2012, 01:05 PM
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I said this before. He is a sniper. He scores goals. He doesn't play on checking lines. Either put him in the A or on your top 6.

What about this is so hard to understand?
So because he doesn't play defense good enough to play in the bottom six that makes him a top six forward by default? If he can't play bottom six he isn't an NHL forward right now period.

The Hossa plus Leddy for Krejci and Boychuk would absolutely be interesting for the Bruins. The offers with guys like Stalberg, Hjalmarsson or Morin are not getting Krejci.

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07-07-2012, 01:07 PM
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Hossa, Leddy for Krejci, Boychuk is not very appealing from a Hawks perspective. Downgrading in terms of talent and ability from Hossa to Krejci, and Leddy looks to be better than Boychuk pretty damn soon if his development continues as it has been.

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So because he doesn't play defense good enough to play in the bottom six that makes him a top six forward by default? If he can't play bottom six he isn't an NHL forward right now period.

The Hossa plus Leddy for Krejci and Boychuk would absolutely be interesting for the Bruins. The offers with guys like Stalberg, Hjalmarsson or Morin are not getting Krejci.
His skills aren't utilized on the bottom six. He's a goal scorer. He's not going to hit 30 goals playing on a checking line.

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07-07-2012, 01:12 PM
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Stalberg for Peverley?
No way, Peverley is better in every important aspect of the game except for physicality, which the Bruins don't need anymore of that anyway. He's versatile, can play center and was on pace to score 60+ points last year if he hadn't got injured.

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Sharp also has a NMC that I highly, highly doubt he would waive.
I'm not sure the Hawks would ask him.. little of topic here.. IMO Sharp would waive his NMC 4 hurricanes if Hawks were to move him... Thunder bay connection LINE

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I'm not sure the Hawks would ask him.. little of topic here.. IMO Sharp would waive his NMC 4 hurricanes if Hawks were to move him... Thunder bay connection LINE
They'd skate out to Thunderstruck by ACDC

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They'd skate out to Thunderstruck by ACDC
no doubt .. too funny never thought of that

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The boston board seems to think Krecji for Ryan is close...just a heads up Chi fans...

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I said this before. He is a sniper. He scores goals. He doesn't play on checking lines. Either put him in the A or on your top 6.

What about this is so hard to understand?
What is so hard to understand about this is what has he proven to get top 6 playing time? We get it, he's a sniper prospect. But why would a team that is trying to win the Stanley Cup this season trade their #1 center for a guy who hasn't proven anything just to see if he will score goals if given top 6 ice time when there are 5 other wingers on the team RIGHT NOW that are better than him and battling for 4 spots on the top 2 lines? What about this is so hard to understand?

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Sharp also has a NMC that I highly, highly doubt he would waive.
Then if Sharp isn't available, there goes the trade talks. Like I said above, Boston doesn't need to trade Krejci. Boston is in a win now mode. If we can't get proven wingers that can put up big numbers now, then we're not interested. It's not about value of prospects combined with a roster player, it's about what can that return do for us in the next year.

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What is so hard to understand about this is what has he proven to get top 6 playing time? We get it, he's a sniper prospect. But why would a team that is trying to win the Stanley Cup this season trade their #1 center for a guy who hasn't proven anything just to see if he will score goals if given top 6 ice time when there are 5 other wingers on the team RIGHT NOW that are better than him and battling for 4 spots on the top 2 lines? What about this is so hard to understand?



Then if Sharp isn't available, there goes the trade talks. Like I said above, Boston doesn't need to trade Krejci. Boston is in a win now mode. If we can't get proven wingers that can put up big numbers now, then we're not interested. It's not about value of prospects combined with a roster player, it's about what can that return do for us in the next year.
I'm not saying that he would play the top 6 in Boston right now. I'm saying that he is simply not a 3rd line forward.

I've said before in this thread that it's a pointless discussion. Two teams with the same goals in trade talks.

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The boston board seems to think Krecji for Ryan is close...just a heads up Chi fans...
Yes .. IMO Sharp, Ryan, Krejci are all close.. Knowone can tell me different this is FIRM opinion of mine... Bergy, Kane, Getz are close too... Some teams would rather keep there guy for certain reasons but the Value is close

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Yes .. IMO Sharp, Ryan, Krejci are all close.. Knowone can tell me different this is FIRM opinion of mine... Bergy, Kane, Getz are close too... Some teams would rather keep there guy for certain reasons but the Value is close
I'd agree with both of those statements.

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