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07-07-2012, 08:41 AM
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I was Sopels biggest fan here and still hope we sign him as #8 D or to mentor our young guys in Rockford, but he is not close to Oduya. Montador & Boynton a wash?

Again my comment was about value to this team not skill.

The Hawks need 0 skilled players on the back end, we have 4 which is at least 1 and more likely 2 to many. What is the difference between Oduya, Leddy, Montador?

Do any of them hit, NO, do any of them go to dirty areas to make plays (corners, crease area), no, do any of them excel in their own end? no, are any of them great at killing penalties? no. Do you fell comfortable if it's anyone of them back on a 2-1, I sure as hell don't.

How many people are saying the Hawks need to get tougher, more physical, can't get pushed around, need better special teams. Yet none of those guys can solve those issues. For @ sake Leddy was 2nd on this team in hits, our smaller, young, offensive, D-man was 2nd in hits but our defense is fine?

There is a reason the Hawks where 22nd in GA and 27th in PK . Yes Crawford was horrible, but as the video I posted showed he often wasn't getting ANY help from the team in front of him because our team, couldn't win a draw in our zone, wouldn't go to the corners to clear pucks out of the zone, can't separate a player from the puck, can't get forwards away from in front of our net.

Even if Crawford bounces back or even if the Hawks get a real #1 in a trade this teams D and the way it's build isn't good enough, on talent 1, we don't have a #3 and on game 2, we need some defensive specialist who can play a physical game.

Everyone keeps saying, Seabrook is our best defender, Seabrook is our best defender, so why are we still signing Keith clones instead of Seabrook clones? Another Seabrook type player and this team is already much better then it is now.


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07-07-2012, 09:26 AM
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Again my comment was about value to this team not skill.

The Hawks need 0 skilled players on the back end, we have 4 which is at least 1 and more likely 2 to many. What is the difference between Oduya, Leddy, Montador?

Do any of them hit, NO, do any of them go to dirty areas to make plays (corners, crease area), no, do any of them excel in their own end? no, are any of them great at killing penalties? no. Do you fell comfortable if it's anyone of them back on a 2-1, I sure as hell don't.

How many people are saying the Hawks need to get tougher, more physical, can't get pushed around, need better special teams. Yet none of those guys can solve those issues. For @ sake Leddy was 2nd on this team in hits, our smaller, young, offensive, D-man was 2nd in hits but our defense is fine?

There is a reason the Hawks where 22nd in GA and 27th in PK . Yes Crawford was horrible, but as the video I posted showed he often wasn't getting ANY help from the team in front of him because our team, couldn't win a draw in our zone, wouldn't go to the corners to clear pucks out of the zone, can't separate a player from the puck, can't get forwards away from in front of our net.

Even if Crawford bounces back or even if the Hawks get a real #1 in a trade this teams D and the way it's build isn't good enough, on talent 1, we don't have a #3 and on game 2, we need some defensive specialist who can play a physical game.

Everyone keeps saying, Seabrook is our best defender, Seabrook is our best defender, so why are we still signing Keith clones instead of Seabrook clones? Another Seabrook type player and this team is already much better then it is now.
Amen brutha


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Oduya is not better then Sopel, Montador and Boyton are a wash and I don't know about Brookbank.

The 2010 D lineup was much better defensively, much larger, and much more physical then our team we have now.

I would kill for a Sopel type on this team now, sure a guy who isn't flashy and isn't a PMD that Bowman and some of you love so much, but he is a warrior who will sacrifice his body to help this team win, he will block shots, get into dirty areas, play physical and be a wall on the back end, this team misses that type of player desperately.
Oduya most certainly is better than Sopel, it's not even close.

The D lineup in 2010 was not that much more physical, it is about the same size, but was better defensively, only because they had a lot more help from the forwards.

We have a Sopel type Dman, Brookbank, Montador, and hell, even Olsen.

Seabrook, Hammer, Montador, Brookbank are all players that you described.
Our defense is fine.

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07-07-2012, 12:05 PM
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Everyone saying our defense is done is just comparing it to the 2010 defense. It's not 'fine' or they wouldn't struggle so much. It might have been fine if we had the same offense as we had in 2010, but we don't anymore. You can't just compare the 2 defenses on paper and say this years is better, therefore it's fine. With a softer offense, the trade off would be that the defense as to be significantly better, not just a little.

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Oduya most certainly is better than Sopel, it's not even close.

The D lineup in 2010 was not that much more physical, it is about the same size, but was better defensively, only because they had a lot more help from the forwards.

We have a Sopel type Dman, Brookbank, Montador, and hell, even Olsen.

Seabrook, Hammer, Montador, Brookbank are all players that you described.
Our defense is fine.
It also helped that there were 2 or 3 lines almost every game that could keep the puck in the offensive zone for a while. The opposition lost a bunch of shifts playing d more often than the last couple years. The Hawks have struggled keeping the puck in the offensive zone. At this point I would worry about improving on that and obviously the special teams rather than make another significant change up front to acquire another defenseman.

I too think the defense is pretty good (always room for improvement), especially comparing it to the rest of the conference. The 3-8 dmen are pretty good as a group. I think most teams would trade places.

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07-07-2012, 02:23 PM
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It also helped that there were 2 or 3 lines almost every game that could keep the puck in the offensive zone for a while. The opposition lost a bunch of shifts playing d more often than the last couple years. The Hawks have struggled keeping the puck in the offensive zone, at this point I would worry about improving on that in addition to special teams rather than make another significant change up front to acquire another defenseman.

I too think the defense is pretty good (always room for improvement), especially comparing it to the rest of the conference. The 3-8 dmen are pretty good as a group. I think most teams would trade places.
It's not the 4-8 that's the problem, it's the no 3 or even 4 that's the problem, the Hawks have 5 5th defensemen who are all built the same and have similar games, that's the problem.

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Frenzy? More like snoozer.

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I was Sopels biggest fan here and still hope we sign him as #8 D or to mentor our young guys in Rockford, but he is not close to Oduya. Montador & Boynton a wash?
Many guys on this team could learn a thing or two from Sopel. The guy succeeded on heart and hockey sense alone. Sacrificed the body at all costs.

I remember a game I was at against Dallas where Sopel was on the PK for a 5 on 3. He blocked two or three shots in a row, then cleared the puck with his hand after he lost his stick.

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Many guys on this team could learn a thing or two from Sopel. The guy succeeded on heart and hockey sense alone. Sacrificed the body at all costs.

I remember a game I was at against Dallas where Sopel was on the PK for a 5 on 3. He blocked two or three shots in a row, then cleared the puck with his hand after he lost his stick.
didn't used to. IRC he was pretty useless defensively early in his career.

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didn't used to. IRC he was pretty useless defensively early in his career.
Speaking more about when he was here. Guy was a goalies best friend. Problem is Bruno could beat him in a race.

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It's not the 4-8 that's the problem, it's the no 3 or even 4 that's the problem, the Hawks have 5 5th defensemen who are all built the same and have similar games, that's the problem.
I would say 4 have the similar game, but I see your point and agree with the size. I prefer this mix and depth compared to any year since the lockout going into the season though. I would like a little more size and/or speed overall, but I have fewer concerns over the defensive group compared to most years.

I agree there are weaknesses, but I don't think it's a big problem for their system. It would be great to improve the group, but I'm skeptical that a beneficial trade is out there.

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Speaking more about when he was here. Guy was a goalies best friend. Problem is Bruno could beat him in a race.
This is exactly what I am talking about, we don't have these guys on this team.

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Frenzy? More like snoozer.
Good point

With FA basically dead and Nash/Luongo/Ryan trade fronts going nowhere I am gonna close this thread

Move all offseason talk back to Around NHL thread as we really dont need two threads to discuss the NHL stuff anymore

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