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07-07-2012, 10:00 PM
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Is Bobby Ryan "Invisible" When He's Not Scoring?

I read a few posters claiming he's invisible when he's not scoring in another thread. One even suggested that the difference between Semin and Ryan isn't as large as most people think since Ryan is also invisible when he isn't scoring. I don't get a chance to see Bobby play much being a Rangers fan, so just asking you western conference fans mostly, is Bobby Ryan a non factor when not scoring, or even a liability?

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07-07-2012, 10:04 PM
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Last year, I'd say so. He could score a couple goals and still be underwhelming. The years before that less so. In 08-09, he was one of the most 'visible' players on the Ducks.

I wouldn't say he's a liability, but he's average defensively, and can be downright frustrating if he's not producing.

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Crazy how blown out of proportion this stuff gets with trade rumors. Bobby is not a liability on the ice, although he isn't exactly Mr.Selke out there. He is usually a physical presence at the very least, and he even got some PK time last season. I would say his defensive game is average at best.

He's just a streaky scorer who gets his goals in bunches. He definitely needs to be a more consistent player, he took way too many nights off the first half of the season (but so did the whole team).

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I read a few posters claiming he's invisible when he's not scoring in another thread. One even suggested that the difference between Semin and Ryan isn't as large as most people think since Ryan is also invisible when he isn't scoring. I don't get a chance to see Bobby play much being a Rangers fan, so just asking you western conference fans mostly, is Bobby Ryan a non factor when not scoring, or even a liability?

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here is proof that bobby ryan is not invisible when not scoring:

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Short story is he is average defensively and not a liability on the ice. No one is saying he is great but I've read the same things as you and I'm not sure where why that's getting spread around.

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I wouldn't say it quite like that. He plays physical and rushes he puck up the ice, it's not like he's useless when he's not scoring.

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He doesn't play physical. He'll throw a hit if he's angry, or if there's an obvious, vulnerable target. But he's not a power forward out there. He'll rarely fight through traffic.

He's a sniper. And it's true: if he's not scoring, you won't notice him. I don't know if I'd compare him with Semin. Eric Daze might be a good comparison actually.

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07-07-2012, 10:53 PM
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HF believes defense is 1000X more important than offense

Bobby Ryan is a superstar.

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here is proof that bobby ryan is not invisible when not scoring:
Well, it's not like you can really tell whether he is or not considering how the pic is cropped.

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I think he needs to be accustomed to his linemates, and last season, he was moved around so much, he didn't have a lot of time to create chemistry. When he's on the top line and clicking with Perry and Getzlaf, he's pretty good at getting the puck deep. Although I wouldn't call him "invisible" when not scoring, I also wouldn't say he's a two way player or anything.

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HF believes defense is 1000X more important than offense

Bobby Ryan is a superstar.
no, it's quite the opposite. Otherwise Toews would be a love child on here instead of constantly deemed overrated.

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no, it's quite the opposite. Otherwise Toews would be a love child on here instead of constantly deemed overrated.
Toews is a love child on here.

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Every now and then he will destroy somebody with a body check but I would say if he's not scoring he generally isn't contributing anything on the ice. He's average at best defensively.

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He's not that good. Yes he's invisible.

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no, it's quite the opposite. Otherwise Toews would be a love child on here instead of constantly deemed overrated.

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semin's issue is that he's russian thus his inconsistency issue stems from a fabricated belief that he's a "cancer" as a result even though he back check all the time whether or not he's on a tear offensively.

the difference between semin and ryan is that ryan is bigger, hits and uses his frame to score goals in front of the net...while semin relies on skill and his shot. when it comes to fighthing, semin is undefeated with his unorthodox tactics.

is bobby ryan invisible when he's not providing offense? last year? yes, he was sulking and he wants to get traded obviously. if a russian did this, once again he'd be cast out as a "typical russain"...but because ryan is American "just a competitive kid that wants to be treated fairly" lol.

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no, it's quite the opposite. Otherwise Toews would be a love child on here instead of constantly deemed overrated.
Umm Toews is the biggest love child on here besides maybe Datsyuk (who conveniently is also defensive).

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I'm an Oiler fan..... Bobby Ryan is not invisible if he is not scoring. He might be avg defensively but he is outstanding offensively. He can carry the puck up ice. He is very tough to defend down low. He creates offensive chances and gets shots on net. Yes he scores in bunches but even when he is not scoring he is still effective because he keeps the puck in the other teams zone and he always needs to be accounted for an thus creating more open ice for his teammates. He is a really good player

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Bobby Ryan, '09-'12, With/Without teammates

People are going to see a wall of numbers and say "herp hockey isn't numbers lawl your name is accurate harhar" but Ryan has brought up the numbers of a lot of teammates.

I don't care enough to look into whether or not Ryan contributed a lot more chances and gives up a few more chances (ie a high-event but net positive player), or whether or not he prevents a lot of scoring chances but adds a few (a low-event, net positive player).. or somewhere in the middle..

No matter how you slice it, the Ducks are a better team when Ryan is on the ice vs. when he's not.

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can;t wait when he goes to Philly and takes the cup next year

Screw the quacks

Bobby "the beast" Ryan is one of the best young players in the game

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Not to be a d-bag here, but aren't all "goal scorers" somewhat invisible when they don't score? I would suggest that is his primary purpose, he's not necessarily a play maker, pk specialist, grinder or 2-way player. He has to score to be productive imo.

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Any offensive player who isn't anything special defensively is basically a non-factor when not scoring points. The talent is there, if he could just avoid falling into point droughts he would be a PPG player. Generally speaking, the differance between a 55-65 point player and a 70-90 point player is about consitency more than anything else. Ryan can be pretty invisible at times, but at least is physical. To summarize: not useless when not producing, but not worth his paycheck when not producing. But then again, who is?

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Well, it's not like you can really tell whether he is or not considering how the pic is cropped.
Haha, well played.

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He doesn't play physical. He'll throw a hit if he's angry, or if there's an obvious, vulnerable target. But he's not a power forward out there. He'll rarely fight through traffic.

He's a sniper. And it's true: if he's not scoring, you won't notice him. I don't know if I'd compare him with Semin. Eric Daze might be a good comparison actually.
I agree with this, he'll make a big hit when he's angry, he needs to have more of an angry streak.

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I agree with this, he'll make a big hit when he's angry, he needs to have more of an angry streak.
I've said many times, that before every game someone needs to piss off Getzlaf and Ryan.

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