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View Poll Results: What should the Rangers do with their two 2013 3rd round picks?
Trade both picks 15 36.59%
Trade one pick, but keep the other 10 24.39%
Hang on to both picks 16 39.02%
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07-08-2012, 07:14 AM
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Shea Weber is the player for whom you pay the bounty the Blue Jackets are demanding but won’t get in exchange for Rick Nash.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz201pldE4W
brooksie talking about the webber being a great fit in new york lol...imo the preds need to find a way to keep webber in nashville because it is going to really hurt that team to lose their 2 best dmen

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07-08-2012, 07:23 AM
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Larry Brooks believes Shea Weber would be a great fit for the Rangers

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The Rangers have all sorts of players quarantined in their bid for Nash, and well they should. But for Weber, an intimidating physical force at 6-foot-4, 235 pounds who was on ice for more power-play goals scored than any other player in the league, the list would be as short as this:

1. Henrik Lundqvist (redundant anyway with Nashville owning Pekka Rinne); 2. Ryan McDonagh; 3. Ryan Callahan; 4. Dan Girardi; 5. Chris Kreider.

That would be it. Everyone else in the organization would be on the table, understanding that Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik have no-move or no-trade clauses and wouldn’t be part of the discussion in any event.
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McDonagh is a budding perennial Norris candidate. Weber has been beaten for the Norris in successive years by Nick Lidstrom and Erik Karlsson in votes as tight as Kennedy/Nixon in 1960. Girardi finished sixth in the balloting last year.

If the defense-first-last-and-always Rangers could get Weber, they would stand to have at least one Norris-caliber defenseman on the ice essentially all game. There is something to be said for doubling down on a strength.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

The asking price would be a NHL roster,top prospect and two #1's. Josh Cooper of the Tennessean speculated during a chat on Friday about what it would take to acquire Weber in a trade. That was price he mentioned. Sign him to a long term deal. Weber's best interests are signing an extension before the CBA expires and new rules are in place.

Maybe the Rangers use their interest in Weber to get Nowson to bend on Rash. The last thing Howson needs is another big player available in a trade.

Pronger went to ANA for Lupul,Smid,2 #1's(one of the #1's was a conditional pick if ANA reached the finals) and #2.

Lupul,Sbisa,2 #1 picks and a conditional pick was the price for Pronger from ANA to Philly

No Perry or Getzlaf or Ryan or Carter or Richards were in those deals.

Sather should pursue Weber. Based the offer on the Pronger deals. No great players were moved for him.

It always seems the Rangers are required to pay more than other teams in these type of trades.

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07-08-2012, 07:41 AM
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So we're looking at something like Stepan, McIlrath, and 2 #1 picks? I could stomach that but only if we can sign him to an extension.

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07-08-2012, 07:43 AM
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Larry Brooks believes Shea Weber would be a great fit for the Rangers





http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

The asking price would be a NHL roster,top prospect and two #1's. Josh Cooper of the Tennessean speculated during a chat on Friday about what it would take to acquire Weber in a trade. That was price he mentioned. Sign him to a long term deal. Weber's best interests are signing an extension before the CBA expires and new rules are in place.

Maybe the Rangers use their interest in Weber to get Nowson to bend on Rash. The last thing Howson needs is another big player available in a trade.

Pronger went to ANA for Lupul,Smid,2 #1's(one of the #1's was a conditional pick if ANA reached the finals) and #2.

Lupul,Sbisa,2 #1 picks and a conditional pick was the price for Pronger from ANA to Philly

No Perry or Getzlaf or Ryan or Carter or Richards were in those deals.

Sather should pursue Weber. Based the offer on the Pronger deals. No great players were moved for him.

It always seems the Rangers are required to pay more than other teams in these type of trades.
Brooks and Portzline continuing to do the dirty work for Sather and Howson. Kinda funny

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07-08-2012, 07:47 AM
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I'd love to get Weber. No doubt he'd want a contract like Suter's or more.

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07-08-2012, 08:02 AM
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Weber would be amazing--only concern is that he does a lot of his damage on the PP from the left point. So Richards would need to either move to the right point or play center on the PP. Assuming Weber shows a willingness to sign long term, I think Cooper's posited cost is less than it would really cost, because there would be a big bidding war for Weber. Weber is in his prime and will be for several years, while Pronger was leaving his.

I'd also assume they'd want a defenseman back as the centerpiece rather than Stepan after having lost both Suter and Weber. I'm thinking it would take something more along the lines of:

Choice of Staal or Del Zotto + Choice of Anisimov or Hagelin + Choice of Miller, Erixon, or McIlrath + 2013 1st

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07-08-2012, 08:17 AM
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Weber would do a lot to get our pwp going--especially if Del Zotto is still around--who is more of a set up qb type than a shooter. He would also make our defense a lot more formidable than it is now.

Truthfully if I had to move a bunch of assets I'd rather do it for him than for Nash.

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07-08-2012, 08:19 AM
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weber at 7-8 mil retirement contract to add to our already solid defensive core means no probable improvement in the top 6 for the next 5+ years. no thanks.

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Weber would do a lot to get our pwp going--especially if Del Zotto is still around--who is more of a set up qb type than a shooter. He would also make our defense a lot more formidable than it is now.

Truthfully if I had to move a bunch of assets I'd rather do it for him than for Nash.
Definitely. Weber is a top 3 defenseman in hockey. Unlike Nash, he's the type of player you move mountains to obtain.

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07-08-2012, 08:38 AM
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brooksie talking about the webber being a great fit in new york lol...imo the preds need to find a way to keep webber in nashville because it is going to really hurt that team to lose their 2 best dmen
I don't care how good Weber is. stepan ++ for him is stupid because 1. Our top 4D is already fantastic , 2. We are trading a weakness for a strength, and 3. With the huge contract he's going to want forget about getting an impact goal scorer or when a 2nd line center. As we have already discussed, staal would be the one to be moved, and that's not the players howson is asking for. Aparently Brooksie forgot the Rangers lost because they can't score goals

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Definitely. Weber is a top 3 defenseman in hockey. Unlike Nash, he's the type of player you move mountains to obtain.
Not when that is your strength on the NHL team as well as in the minors and they need two forwards one of them being a top offensive player

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07-08-2012, 08:54 AM
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: Weber

: Del Zotto, Hagelin, 2013/1st, 2014/2nd


: Staal, Dubinsky, Thomas

: Kane, 3rd pick


Kane--Richards--Gaborik
Kreider--Stepan--Callahan
Pyatt--Anisimov--Miller
Asham--Bolye--Rupp


McD-Girardi
Bickel-Weber
Erixon-Stralman

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: Weber

: Del Zotto, Hagelin, 2013/1st, 2014/2nd


: Staal, Dubinsky, Thomas

: Kane, 3rd pick


Kane--Richards--Gaborik
Kreider--Stepan--Callahan
Pyatt--Anisimov--Miller
Asham--Bolye--Rupp


McD-Girardi
Bickel-Weber
Erixon-Stralman
those bottom 2 lines are just bad... And that defense is too imo

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those bottom 2 lines are just bad... And that defense is too imo
Yeah I agree. lol

Like Weber. but we need forwards.

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That D lineup is worse than last years. A lot worse.

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07-08-2012, 09:07 AM
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Why can't Nash be traded?

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With the league in the process of writing a new collective-bargaining agreement — the current one expires in September — the ticket for Nash could be seen as risky.

“The salary cap isn’t going up (in the new agreement); we know that,” Ferraro said. “It’s probably not even going to stay where it is ($70 million). I think it’s tough for a lot of teams to swallow that. He’s going to realign the structure of most teams and just about any dressing room he joins. But on top of that, are you going to take that plunge before a new CBA is in front of you?”
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Ferraro said the Blue Jackets should get two NHL players, a prospect and a draft pick for Nash. Howson has said he will wait it out, even if it means Nash is still here at the start of the season.
Nowson wants more than that.

Now you know why Eddie O is in a TV booth. Now you know why EDM is such a poorly run team. Rick Olczyk is in EDM's FO.

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“The message to those teams is: It’s time to step up,” Olczyk said. “The free-agent market is done. Nash is right there for you, a guy nobody thought was going to hit the market. This is a go-to guy, a premier forward. He could be a difference-maker between going out in the second round or making it to the Stanley Cup. But you have to give up something you don’t want to give up.”
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Rash hasn't won a playoff game in his career. He is the difference bwtn losing and winning in the playoffs? Based on what?

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Why can't Nash be traded?





Nowson wants more than that.

Now you know why Eddie O is in a TV booth. Now you know why EDM is such a poorly run team. Rick Olczyk is in EDM's FO.



http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...ice-right.html

Rash hasn't won a playoff game in his career. He is the difference bwtn losing and winning in the playoffs? Based on what?
That's not a very good argument. One guy can not take a team into the playoffs

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Strolled over to the CBJ board. They were discussing Nash for Dubinsky, Hags, 1st and mcilrath or miller..

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: Weber

: Del Zotto, Hagelin, 2013/1st, 2014/2nd


: Staal, Dubinsky, Thomas

: Kane, 3rd pick


Kane--Richards--Gaborik
Kreider--Stepan--Callahan
Pyatt--Anisimov--Miller
Asham--Bolye--Rupp


McD-Girardi
Bickel-Weber
Erixon-Stralman
Your not serious about Bickel on the second pair, right?

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07-08-2012, 09:34 AM
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Looking at those Pronger trades, a lot of futures were dealt. A couple first round picks, Sbisa was a prospect at the time. Onky proven commodity was Lupul in each trade.

Each time he was dealt he was coming off 25 to 28 goals and 50 to 53 point seasons.

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07-08-2012, 09:35 AM
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That's not a very good argument. One guy can not take a team into the playoffs
When has Rash ever been a difference maker in the NHL? You have your thoughts. I have my thoughts. Lets leave it there. OK?

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When has Rash ever been a difference maker in the NHL? You have your thoughts. I have my thoughts. Lets leave it there. OK?
Aren't you guys agreeing?

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All I know is, this team needs more skill and speed. We are locked down in our own zone way too easily, because if the other team out-grinds us along the boards, we are toast. We need a second gear and considering how we play, more speed would help us push territory.

That's why I'm not that sad that Prust and Fedotenko are gone.
You're reading it wrong. The reason we don't clear the zone is the safety first mentality. What happens is we block shots and the puck either goes back to them or we get a lucky bounce and get to clear it. Nobody is allowed to be aggressive with the shooter because there is a chance that they give up the block and it ends up getting to hank-- only with the fact that they are in the shooting lane it risks a screen or a deflection by a guy closer to the net.

We're a dump and chase team. Any chance we get the puck off a lucky bounce from a blocked shot we end up having to either chase the puck and risk being half into a shift by the time they get it or we change lines and they hold onto the puck anyway.

Nothing about our system invokes speed or skill in the defensive zone; however, when we do end up on the offensive we get good opportunities because we have skill and speed(albeit no real finishers have stepped up long term), but we don't hold the puck there because we don't go after rebounds because once again that safety mentality means if we chase the puck we risk them getting an odd man rush on defense, which is dumb. What they need to do is chase after the puck and if they don't get it play the man open ice so it's still a 4 on 4 instead of a 4 on 5.

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Yeah I agree. lol

Like Weber. but we need forwards.
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