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Free Agent Frenzy Part VII: It's Still Only July Edition

View Poll Results: What should the Rangers do with their two 2013 3rd round picks?
Trade both picks 15 36.59%
Trade one pick, but keep the other 10 24.39%
Hang on to both picks 16 39.02%
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07-08-2012, 09:03 AM
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So we need Weber now? Because we need to, as the what... #4 or #5 defense in the league, with the #1 goalie (that felt good to type), keep more pucks out of our net?

I don't buy it. Weber is a force for sure, he would help the PP but we wouldn't be able to upgrade in the important areas.

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07-08-2012, 09:11 AM
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People do realize that Shea Weber is one of the best PP triggermen in the league, right? Weber has scored 19, 16, 16, 23, and 17 goals in his five NHL seasons. Staal, for comparison's sake, has scored 2 (in 46 games), 7, 8, 3, and 2 over the same period.

Replacing Staal with Weber is a huge upgrade offensively, and gives the PP an actual shooting threat. Our defense is a strength, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved.

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07-08-2012, 09:27 AM
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Adding to a position we are already one of the best in the league at (defense) at the expense of one which we need help at (forward) would be extremely counterproductive. The only way I would trade for Weber is if Nashville takes back Dubi or Anisimov and a Defensive prospect, but they most certainly will want Kreider or Stepan. No way I give up 2 budding offensive players for a dman.

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07-08-2012, 09:34 AM
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This team needs a lw not a Dman plus nsh will keep weber.

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07-08-2012, 09:35 AM
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Aaron Portzline was on FAN yesterday

His "sense" is that Dubinsky,Stepan and a pick can get Nash.

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/...k6JfQUvHo?dl=1

Trading Stepan opens another big hole. Then the Rangers become one of the 20 plus teams looking for another center.

AA as the 2nd line center? Then they'll be saying the Rangers can't win their center ice being so weak. WTF.

Portzline brought up AA or Hagelin as other possibilities.

How is Nash or Gaborik playing with if Stepan is moved? Chasing your own tail.

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07-08-2012, 09:36 AM
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People do realize that Shea Weber is one of the best PP triggermen in the league, right? Weber has scored 19, 16, 16, 23, and 17 goals in his five NHL seasons. Staal, for comparison's sake, has scored 2 (in 46 games), 7, 8, 3, and 2 over the same period.

Replacing Staal with Weber is a huge upgrade offensively, and gives the PP an actual shooting threat. Our defense is a strength, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved.
Most people realize that.

Most people also realize that its going to take at least a prime roster player, a top prospect, and a #1 pick just to obtain Weber. Then, a contract in excess of 12 years/100M to keep him. Thats absurd in any situation, but especially in a situation where the Rangers have a solid top 4 defense and a real problem when it comes to top 6 forwards.

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07-08-2012, 09:39 AM
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Aaron Portzline was on FAN yesterday

His "sense" is that Dubinsky,Stepan and a pick can get Nash.

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/...k6JfQUvHo?dl=1

Trading Stepan opens another big hole. Then the Rangers become one of the 20 plus teams looking for another center.

AA as the 2nd line center? Then they'll be saying the Rangers can't win their center ice being so weak. WTF.

Portzline brought up AA or Hagelin as other possibilities.
Stepan is a non-starter for me for the reasons you listed.

Dubinsky, Hagelin or AA, Miller, and a 1st. Thats the highest the Rangers should be willing to go.

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Nyr will wait to see what Shane doan does before pulling a trigger in a deal. Rather keep assets and sign doab

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Stepan is a non-starter for me for the reasons you listed.

Dubinsky, Hagelin or AA, Miller, and a 1st. Thats the highest the Rangers should be willing to go.
I do dubi, anisimov, cry at dealing miller but do it, first and third

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07-08-2012, 09:46 AM
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Just for a random thought, anyone else find it amusing that the AHL has so many former NYR property players serving as captains?

Boyd Kane, Nate Guenin, Marc-Andre Cliche, David Liffiton, WADE (obviously), Dane Byers

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07-08-2012, 09:58 AM
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Doan is expected to make a decision tomorrow correct? PHX management meets tomorrow?

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07-08-2012, 10:01 AM
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I do dubi, anisimov, cry at dealing miller but do it, first and third
this could even be slight overpayment! If Howson doesn't do a deal close to this he's a total @ss. But that's been established already. No surprise CBJ are where they are.

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Nyr will wait to see what Shane doan does before pulling a trigger in a deal. Rather keep assets and sign doab
If the Rangers were to sign Doan for 3 years at 16 M - then they will have a great position to try to deal with Murray to get Ryan. No?

My favorite scenario still looks like this. Sign Doan, then quickly trade Dubinsky for P Berglund and immediately send Stepan plus non-roster assets to Anaheim for Ryan. That would be quite the upgrade from last year. A tight cap squeeze, but would work.

Ryan, Doan, Berglund, Kreider and Asham replacing Dubinsky, Stepan, Prust, Fedotenko and Mitchell
Losing Stepan would hurt us for sure, but AA or Berglund would fill up the 2c/3C spots quite well...

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07-08-2012, 10:05 AM
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If the Rangers were to sign Doan for 3 years at 16 M - then they will have a great position to try to deal with Murray to get Ryan. No?

My favorite scenario still looks like this. Sign Doan, then quickly trade Dubinsky for P Berglund and immediately send Stepan plus non-roster assets to Anaheim for Ryan. That would be quite the upgrade from last year. A tight cap squeeze, but would work.

Ryan, Doan, Berglund, Kreider and Asham replacing Dubinsky, Stepan, Prust, Fedotenko and Mitchell
Losing Stepan would hurt us for sure, but AA or Berglund would fill up the 2c/3C spots quite well...
how is Berglund at faceoffs? and I think we would need to add a pick to Dubi for him IMO

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Dubinsky and Anisimov. 2 NHL forwards. 2 players who can play both center and wing. NO OTHER ROSTER PLAYERS. NO MILLER OR ERIXON OR #1 PICK OR SKJEI as the other asset(s).

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how is Berglund at faceoffs? and I think we would need to add a pick to Dubi for him IMO
Send them a 2nd. We have 2 thirds next year...

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07-08-2012, 10:22 AM
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Who can do a poll?

Does Nash come to NY?

My vote.... NO.

Ryan

No.

Doan

No.

Semin

No.

My work is done.

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You may very well be right NOing everything...

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Dubinsky, Hagelin, and a 1st

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So we need Weber now? Because we need to, as the what...

Because this is a video game. Or had we not all better figure that out sooner or later.

I'd love Weber, but Poile ain't letting him go boys. Deal with it. How about this as a concept? We develop our own Shea Weber.

The lunacy to which this board descends by August should be worth one full belly laugh with my morning coffee on a daily basis.

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07-08-2012, 10:38 AM
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Because this is a video game. Or had we not all better figure that out sooner or later.

I'd love Weber, but Poile ain't letting him go boys. Deal with it. How about this as a concept? We develop our own Shea Weber.

The lunacy to which this board descends by August should be worth one full belly laugh with my morning coffee on a daily basis.
With Weber slated to become a UFA, if he won't re-sign, I think Poile will absolutely have to let him go. There's no way he can lose both Weber and Suter without receiving anything in return.

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07-08-2012, 10:42 AM
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Looking at the Pronger trades, if Dubinsky has a normal season and improved his numbers a bit to 45 to 55 pts, the Rangers might have been able to get away with Dubinsky, Erixon or McI, two firsts and either a second or a prospect like Thomas. Now you are looking at having to put Stepan in instead of Dubinsky. That's a tough pill to swallow because of the hole it creates at the center position. Dubinsky would prob have to be moved in a seperate deal to clear salary.

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People do realize that Shea Weber is one of the best PP triggermen in the league, right? Weber has scored 19, 16, 16, 23, and 17 goals in his five NHL seasons. Staal, for comparison's sake, has scored 2 (in 46 games), 7, 8, 3, and 2 over the same period.

Replacing Staal with Weber is a huge upgrade offensively, and gives the PP an actual shooting threat. Our defense is a strength, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved.
are you trying to imply that a dman that can score close to 20 goals and take out pp from a laughing stock to one of the best in the league helps our offense just as much as a forward that scores 20-25? cause thats just crazy talk lol

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Dubinsky and Anisimov. 2 NHL forwards. 2 players who can play both center and wing. NO OTHER ROSTER PLAYERS. NO MILLER OR ERIXON OR #1 PICK OR SKJEI as the other asset(s).
Exactly...you can't part with Miller if you're moving both Dubinsky and Anisimov.

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Larry Brooks believes Shea Weber would be a great fit for the Rangers





http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

The asking price would be a NHL roster,top prospect and two #1's. Josh Cooper of the Tennessean speculated during a chat on Friday about what it would take to acquire Weber in a trade. That was price he mentioned. Sign him to a long term deal. Weber's best interests are signing an extension before the CBA expires and new rules are in place.

Maybe the Rangers use their interest in Weber to get Nowson to bend on Rash. The last thing Howson needs is another big player available in a trade.

Pronger went to ANA for Lupul,Smid,2 #1's(one of the #1's was a conditional pick if ANA reached the finals) and #2.

Lupul,Sbisa,2 #1 picks and a conditional pick was the price for Pronger from ANA to Philly

No Perry or Getzlaf or Ryan or Carter or Richards were in those deals.

Sather should pursue Weber. Based the offer on the Pronger deals. No great players were moved for him.

It always seems the Rangers are required to pay more than other teams in these type of trades.
Staal, Miller, 2 #1s?

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