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Free Agent Frenzy Part VII: It's Still Only July Edition

View Poll Results: What should the Rangers do with their two 2013 3rd round picks?
Trade both picks 15 36.59%
Trade one pick, but keep the other 10 24.39%
Hang on to both picks 16 39.02%
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07-08-2012, 10:51 AM
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RangerBoy's suggested Dubinsky for Stafford is the most logical proposal in this thread.

Buffalo seeking a center. They look at Dubinsky as a center. Rangers seeking a scoring winger. Stafford and Dubinsky salaries wash.

Simple swap of need for need by both clubs.

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I don't care if we end up with Nash anymore. Final offer is Dubinsky, Hagelin, mcilrath, pick. We keep stepan kreider mcd. That's a heck of an offer if he don't take it I move on.

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I don't care if we end up with Nash anymore. Final offer is Dubinsky, Hagelin, mcilrath, pick. We keep stepan kreider mcd. That's a heck of an offer if he don't take it I move on.
Rangers consider McIlrath untouchable.

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Rangers consider McIlrath untouchable.
Suprise lol. Ok than put erixon instead or Thomas

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07-08-2012, 10:57 AM
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I will say the Rangers do not have to do anything big right now, but sooner or later this team is gonna have to make a big move to be a serious cup contender, and the same names asked for now will be coming up again. The only way we can maybe get an impact scorer without giving up anything of value, is hope for next years class and some actually make it to July...

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RangerBoy's suggested Dubinsky for Stafford is the most logical proposal in this thread.

Buffalo seeking a center. They look at Dubinsky as a center. Rangers seeking a scoring winger. Stafford and Dubinsky salaries wash.

Simple swap of need for need by both clubs.
no thanks stafford is usually lucky to hit 50 points which most expect Dubinsky to rebound to. Lateral move. Dubinsky does a lot for this team to just trade him for someone who can barely reach 50 pts

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07-08-2012, 11:04 AM
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This Weber talk is neat and all. But we don't need any D.

And something tells me there's a proposal already in the main board...

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no thanks stafford is usually lucky to hit 50 points which most expect Dubinsky to rebound to. Lateral move. Dubinsky does a lot for this team to just trade him for someone who can barely reach 50 pts
Dubinsky has hit 50 points exactly once. Stafford scored only two fewer than Dubinsky in his best year, and that was in fifteen fewer games. And that was the year Dubinsky had like 6 or 7 empty netters or whatever.

I don't expect Dubinsky to "rebound" to some place he's almost never been.

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07-08-2012, 11:09 AM
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no thanks stafford is usually lucky to hit 50 points which most expect Dubinsky to rebound to. Lateral move. Dubinsky does a lot for this team to just trade him for someone who can barely reach 50 pts
When has Dubinsky ever scored 30 goals?

Stafford has.

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Suprise lol. Ok than put erixon instead or Thomas
They reportedly gave in to including Erixon in the deal at the trade deadline.

So that's a possibility.

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no thanks stafford is usually lucky to hit 50 points which most expect Dubinsky to rebound to. Lateral move. Dubinsky does a lot for this team to just trade him for someone who can barely reach 50 pts
I think most people would be happy if Dubi rebounded into the low to mid 40s. That's been his average. Of course 50+ points would be great.

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07-08-2012, 11:23 AM
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When has Dubinsky ever scored 30 goals?

Stafford has.
But that's one time and dubi had 24 one year himself. For everything dubi does pk, forecheck, fight, hit, etc is stafford really that big of an upgrade?

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Dubinsky for Stafford gets rejected out of hand, but there is consideration for Weber.

Again, the salaries wash, Stafford addresses a need.

Weber is not a need, other than his pp talents. His salary most certainly does not wash, it will hamstring the ability to address offensive needs... and if I'm not mistaken, one of the #1 reason to not get Nash is that he'll prevent the Rangers from re-signing our most important players in a few years. So get a player that will command more money...

And didn't we get Richards to help the PP? Gaborik? Keep MDZ for the PP? There are no sure things, I still maintain our problem is the type of talent on our powerplay. They aren't quick thinkers, not skilled enough to make one time passes/shots, can't pass through the middle.

:: I know I'll have to add that Weber is world class, he'll make the team better (offense and defense), he'll help the pp. It's just a huge commitment with cap and assets. Diminishing marginal returns. Look at the projected D lineup a few pages back.

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No to Weber... Everyone *****es about the Nash contract, but you want to give Weber the same salary for 12-14 years? Is Weber more valuable? Sure, but he's not as much of a need at this point and will end up costing more in salary and assets. Philly would also outbid IMO. I don't see McD or Kreider moving, but I could see Holmgren coughing up. Couterier and/or Schenn.

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RangerBoy's suggested Dubinsky for Stafford is the most logical proposal in this thread.

Buffalo seeking a center. They look at Dubinsky as a center. Rangers seeking a scoring winger. Stafford and Dubinsky salaries wash.

Simple swap of need for need by both clubs.
I like this move a lot.

I think Torts and co. could get the best out of Stafford. When he's on his game, I'm a huge fan.

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No to Weber... Everyone *****es about the Nash contract, but you want to give Weber the same salary for 12-14 years? Is Weber more valuable? Sure, but he's not as much of a need at this point and will end up costing more in salary and assets. Philly would also outbid IMO. I don't see McD or Kreider moving, but I could see Holmgren coughing up. Couterier and/or Schenn.
Well partly the reason why the Rangers would get involved with Weber, to force Philly to give up more assets then they want to.

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But that's one time and dubi had 24 one year himself. For everything dubi does pk, forecheck, fight, hit, etc is stafford really that big of an upgrade?
As far as goal scoring, yes, he's an upgrade.

And his cap hit is a couple hundred thousand less than Dubinsky.

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Stepan is a non-starter for me for the reasons you listed.

Dubinsky, Hagelin or AA, Miller, and a 1st. Thats the highest the Rangers should be willing to go.
Agreed, that is the most I would be willing to part with for Nash; I wouldn't be happy about Hagelin, but I could stomach it.

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Rangers consider McIlrath untouchable.
Why? He has limited upside.

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I wouldnt be too upset with a Dubinsky for Stafford swap, but thats an awfully lateral move.

I always envisioned Dubinsky being a piece/salary component as part of a package for a true upgrade.

If the alternative is a lateral move like this, I'd feel more comfortable banking on Dubinsky rebounding next season. Hes shown the ability to put up numbers similar to Stafford while playing a much tougher game.

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I'm thinking it would be wise for Howson to move Nash soon: prior to the CBA talks. If the feeling becomes that the cap may drop more then expected, then you may see Nash's value drop...

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Why? He has limited upside.
Because they do. Its been reported.

According to whom? Rangers certainly don't feel he has limited upside.

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Why? He has limited upside.
I for one would like to see what he becomes.

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Stafford is really inconsistent and turns invisible a lot. Better scorer than Dubinsky but has big issues as well

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Stafford is really inconsistent and turns invisible a lot. Better scorer than Dubinsky but has big issues as well
I concur. It's an upgrade, but not one that would seriously improve the team. I like Stafford, but I wouldn't call him the answer to our scoring woes by any stretch...

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