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07-08-2012, 01:46 PM
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Howson has no leverage (unless someone wants to overpay, and at this point, no one does), the NYR seem to be the only team he wants to pay for (though he would consider others if a deal to NY doesn't work out). If Howson wants to sit tight with Nash, it means that no one else has gotten him either. Wait, the price will go down further, if not, then let someone else overpay. Save your assets for something better.

Giving Doan more than 2 years would be insanity. If he wants 5 years, let someone else give him that. If you give him 3+ years and he struggles and/or gets hurt, you're screwed with that 35+ contract. I read somewhere yesterday the Penguins would be hot after him if he decides to move on from Phoenix.

I would like to get Weber, but the Rangers have more pressing needs, and the cost (assets and contract) would be exhorbinant; so I take a pass. If he does get to free agency (unlikely; he re-signs in Nashville or he signs with the team that trades for him), I grab him. In that case you trade one of the big 3 d'man (probably Staal to Carolina, or best offer) to create cap room.

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Nash and Stafford aren't even comparable. Nash gives you two #1 lines. Stafford is a solid hockey player, but coming back with him as your offensive prize will just see this team in the same position it was in last year.

You also keep forgetting that I am saying IF the deal can be done without Stepan and you keep going back to the assumption that he must be included - we don't know this.

Tortorella said we need more depth? He also said we need more offense.

Depth? How about SCORING depth? That's what this team lacks. Retooling with Pyatt and Stafford doesn't improve the scoring depth much - if at all - from last years playoffs.

You are talking about 2 roster players - not gutting the entire on ice product. You make it sound like 6 roster guys are leaving.

You can play with numbers all you want, but this team needs to score IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Just to reiterate - Im not advocating getting Nash at any/all costs, but I firmly believe there is a deal to be made here. If not you move on to asking about Ryan.

One last point: 7.8 million is high, but you'd rather sign Doan whose going to be on a 35+ contract for 3-5 years (prob 4) at 5 million to be a FAR inferior player?
Subtracting two roster players and adding one detracts from depth.

Depth IS scoring depth.

Again, this isn't a video game where you can play 5 guys without consequence.

Two lines? Great. Whose playing the rest of the time?

When 50% of your 12 forwards comprise of hack 4th line players there's major issues.

Nash adds a primary scorer and opens up a ton of holes as far as secondary scoring depth.

If its Dubinsky and Anisimov, you already have to move Pyatt up to the third line and add a rookie.

Forgetting the salary cap.

Its about getting value. Not about top loading a roster.

Add Doan.

Now you have a third line with two 20 goal scores (Dubinsky and Callahan) and a defensive center Anisimov.

Trade Dubinsky for Stafford and you increase your production while subtracting salary. Add a rookie to the bottom lines.

Either option is better than subtracting several pieces for one and adding salary.

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07-08-2012, 01:54 PM
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Some thoughts:

Doan ... compensation... A 35 year old isn't looking for short term deals. Everyone knows his skills will diminish relatively soon so he is asking , who will pay to take the risk? Maybe during the contract, maybe later? Do I believe he wants less than $20 mil for 4? Perhaps, he'll go 3 for 17 million? Maybe he'll do 2 for $14? The trick for Pitts, Detroit, Phila, etc is to find another guy to sign for less. They'll all be bidders. No one is stealing Doan. In the end, Sather can say it's too much and play the hand he was dealt or... "Overpay".

Semin-- Try to acquire him for a song? I can't wait to see his FA deal. A multi year deal. Fortunately for Torts and the Rangers, with SEmin you are getting a 2 for 1. For the price you will be acquiring a player who can play defense with the best of them. A tort's kind of guy. Two odd man rushes against the Rangers with Semin on the ice and he'll start to see 4th line playing minutes. The new stat would be, How much are you paying him for a minute of playing time?

Nash- I believe we are all looking at the potential deal, in error.
Dubi should give you the bounce back year. He may be so happy (if he's not traded) that he will contribute 25 goals and 60 points to the teams production. Nash, on the other hand, is not used to playing on the big stage. Playing Tort's style he might regress to a 25 goal 55 point player? So why are we potentially offering to gut the Rangers (haven't heard that in multiple pages?) to acquire Nash? As of Now trading Dubi for Nash seems to be a lateral move. Sather is no fool, he probably wants to know if CBJ is willing to throw in a draft choice along with Nash for Dubi? That might be holding up the deal?

Weber- A player the team really needs. With him added the team will have an instant PP. How many years @ 12 M per? I wonder if any other team knows about Weber's ability? A bidding war possibly? Would the rangers need to radically change their team to acquire WEb's? Imagine, the Rangers as an offensive team again? Forget shot blocking, etc. With Weber you could need a total remake? A better team? My guess, probably but certainly a different team at a high cost.

The real problem for the Rangers:

They were too good with a young team and thus they are hesitant to do anything.


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Went back and finished the last thread (I'm on west coast time) and need to rekindle the Shea Weber conversation. I agree with Brooks 100% -- Weber is the guy you make the big trade for. He's a right handed shot and just a devastating power play weapon. (And for the poster who noted he plays the left point on the power play, that's not quite right. Weber and Suter constatly traded sides depending on puck position, not unlike what many teams do on the PP) Nashville cannont lose another free agent like Suter and Hamhuis.

I love Mark Staal but he's the logical guy to anchor a package.

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You don't trade for player that can be signed as a free agent in one year.

Staal forced a trade to a team with one of his brothers. That's why he signed in Carolina. There was zero risk.

Weber WILL go to free agency. 29 teams will be offering him what Suter got or more. 13+ years 100+ million.

Del Zotto will eventually out score him.

Staal is equal or better defensively.

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Not saying I would rush into anything, but the excuse of wait for something better to come along annoys me. Nash is prob 2nd tier below the elite. The elite never become available. So I have to ask those who keep saying that.. Who exactly are u hoping for that is better than Nash?? Just saying...

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Went back and finished the last thread (I'm on west coast time) and need to rekindle the Shea Weber conversation. I agree with Brooks 100% -- Weber is the guy you make the big trade for. He's a right handed shot and just a devastating power play weapon. (And for the poster who noted he plays the left point on the power play, that's not quite right. Weber and Suter constatly traded sides depending on puck position, not unlike what many teams do on the PP) Nashville cannont lose another free agent like Suter and Hamhuis.

I love Mark Staal but he's the logical guy to anchor a package.
I could not disagree more. I cant get on board with trading Staal ++ and giving a guy a 14 year/$115M contract just because he can make the powerplay better. Its brutal asset management.

Besides, the powerplay wasnt a huge problem in the playoffs (especially as it wore on).

Boston won a cup 2 seasons ago with no powerplay to speak of, same with Los Angeles this season. They won with some serious depth up front and rock solid defense/goaltending. This Rangers team is missing the depth up front. I fail to see how handing Weber a ridiculous deal helps that now or down the road.

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Went back and finished the last thread (I'm on west coast time) and need to rekindle the Shea Weber conversation. I agree with Brooks 100% -- Weber is the guy you make the big trade for. He's a right handed shot and just a devastating power play weapon. (And for the poster who noted he plays the left point on the power play, that's not quite right. Weber and Suter constatly traded sides depending on puck position, not unlike what many teams do on the PP) Nashville cannont lose another free agent like Suter and Hamhuis.

I love Mark Staal but he's the logical guy to anchor a package.
The only thing about trading for Weber that I dont like is the likely 14yr/110M its going to take to resign him. While I do think Weber is the top D man in the game IMO, I dont want any part of paying him around 8M in 2026.

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Putting Hagelin in there is pure speculation. Haven't seen him mentioned aside from on here.
The hags idea was tossed around for few weeks now. Iam posting from my phone, you can google it yourself. You missed the more important question, if the deal is as stated should miller be included or not?

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Not saying I would rush into anything, but the excuse of wait for something better to come along annoys me. Nash is prob 2nd tier below the elite. The elite never become available. So I have to ask those who keep saying that.. Who exactly are u hoping for that is better than Nash?? Just saying...
You are wrapped up in who is better than who.

The TEAM as a whole is better off without shipping off several pieces.

Adding depth a minor upgrades improves the team, doesn't handcuff them financially.

Stepan, Kreider, Callahan, Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi...

All due raises/new contracts soon.

Adding another 7.8 or 8 million (Weber) contract, not only do you lose assets in the trade, how many more because you can't fit those guys under the cap?

Everything has repercussions.

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Not saying I would rush into anything, but the excuse of wait for something better to come along annoys me. Nash is prob 2nd tier below the elite. The elite never become available. So I have to ask those who keep saying that.. Who exactly are u hoping for that is better than Nash?? Just saying...
Parise. LOL

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One more thing to keep in mind even if it is a business......trading a player to Columbus is a very nasty thing to do! Ask Jeff Carter.

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It's not Stafford v. Nash. It's Dubinsky for Stafford v. Dubinsky + 1 roster player + 1 or 2 prospects + 1st for Nash. The question is which team is better at the end of the day.

If the rest of the Nash deal shakes out to Anisimov, Thomas, and a 1st, that will be better than Stafford's version of the Rangers. If the rest of the deal is Hagelin, Miller and or Erixon/McIlrath and a 1st... I prefer Stafford.

I think Nash, if traded to us, ultimately goes for Dubi, Anisimov and Thomas. Sather isn't trading for much more than that.

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you can't give a 5 yr 35+ contract out
I honestly cannot believe even this summer while every UFA is getting ridiculous money and ridiculous length of contract that any other team than the Yotes will give Doan more than 3 years. Sather can offer 3 years 5 million a year, maybe 5.5 if he wants to sweeten it, but even that is a stretch. Hopefully if Doan doesn't come here and goes elsewhere it is out west and to another team that is interested in Nash (Sharks) to take them out of the Nash sweepstakes.

It is apparent Howson and Sather are going to see who blinks first, problem is Howson cannot start the season with Nash as that is a huge distraction. The Rangers have other options
Ryan
Doan
Maybe Semin
Maybe Stafford
Maybe Berglund

Sather will wait it out till the end and we can go into the season with the current roster

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-Anisimov
Dubinsky-Boyle-Asham
Pyatt-Wellman-Rupp

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Erixon
Stralman-Del Zotto

Lundqvist-Biron

Sc: Bickel
IR: Sauer, Gaborik

We shall see that lineup can take us into the season, but we need more depth and scoring, hopefully the depth can come from a Miller, Thomas, etc if we don't trade one or both of them

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Not saying I would rush into anything, but the excuse of wait for something better to come along annoys me. Nash is prob 2nd tier below the elite. The elite never become available. So I have to ask those who keep saying that.. Who exactly are u hoping for that is better than Nash?? Just saying...
There are better options when it comes to cost. Far too many people are looking at any transaction through the small prism of "but Player A is better than player B!"

Not when player A is going to cost 2 roster players, plus a top prospect, plus a #1 pick, plus a ridiculous contract that pays him like hes elite even though you admit hes not.

Doan on a 2 year deal is the best possible option for this team right now. If he wants a 3rd year, things change dramatically, yet Doan is the same player.

You cant look at these things in a vacuum - luckily, it sure seems like Rangers management isnt up to this point.

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You are wrapped up in who is better than who.

The TEAM as a whole is better off without shipping off several pieces.

Adding depth a minor upgrades improves the team, doesn't handcuff them financially.

Stepan, Kreider, Callahan, Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi...

All due raises/new contracts soon.

Adding another 7.8 or 8 million (Weber) contract, not only do you lose assets in the trade, how many more because you can't fit those guys under the cap?

Everything has repercussions.
not when the bottom 2 lines can't score for crap dude. Dubi and hags for instance, Nash by himself would almost outscore them, even if for instance, we had to use pyatt. Nash and pyatt would outscore them. Or we could bring in mueller cheap, or miller could help. The bottom line is 2 third liners with potential to be second liners are less valuable to us than someone who could score 40 and take all the pressure off Gaborik.

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Went back and finished the last thread (I'm on west coast time) and need to rekindle the Shea Weber conversation. I agree with Brooks 100% -- Weber is the guy you make the big trade for. He's a right handed shot and just a devastating power play weapon. (And for the poster who noted he plays the left point on the power play, that's not quite right. Weber and Suter constatly traded sides depending on puck position, not unlike what many teams do on the PP) Nashville cannont lose another free agent like Suter and Hamhuis.

I love Mark Staal but he's the logical guy to anchor a package.
I agree with this.

We are seriously underestimating some prime talent out there (Nash, Weber) and seriously overvaluing some of our own talent.

I love comments like "we need to develop our own Weber" as if somehow developing one of the top defenseman of a generation is like growing a plant. Yeah we need to develop our own Weber, along with 29 other teams.

I believe Weber not only strengthens the powerplay, but gives the Rangers the type of elite defenseman that Stanley Cup winners tend to have. It's no coincidence that many of your successful teams over the years have had those kinds of guys (Lidstrom, Doughty, Chara, Pronger).

Defense may be a strength, but let's not kid ourselves. We don't have anyone on the level of Shea Weber. We also not to stop acting like the only thing he is is a powerplay specialist.

Yes we need scoring on the wings, that's not a question. But if you can get a guy like Weber for a package that includes Staal, a pick and a prospect, you gotta move on it. Period.

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You don't trade for player that can be signed as a free agent in one year.

Staal forced a trade to a team with one of his brothers. That's why he signed in Carolina. There was zero risk.

Weber WILL go to free agency. 29 teams will be offering him what Suter got or more. 13+ years 100+ million.

Del Zotto will eventually out score him.

Staal is equal or better defensively.
I disagree that Weber will be going to next July 1st . . . primarily due to the expiring CBA. Weber is going to want a cap circumvention deal, and they are almost certainly not going to be available when the new CBA is formed. So I sincerely doubt Weber is going to hit next July 1st--the only situation I see that happening is if Nashville decides to take a hardline and refuses to trade him with the hope that UFA age is raised in the new CBA.

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You don't trade for player that can be signed as a free agent in one year.

Staal forced a trade to a team with one of his brothers. That's why he signed in Carolina. There was zero risk.

Weber WILL go to free agency. 29 teams will be offering him what Suter got or more. 13+ years 100+ million.

Del Zotto will eventually out score him.

Staal is equal or better defensively.
He is not getting to free agency, he either:

1) Resigns with Nashville

2) Gets traded, and signs an extension with the other team. If Weber waits a year, he will lose big money in the process. It ain't going to happen. He will be traded and signed before the new CBA goes into effect.

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I agree with this.

We are seriously underestimating some prime talent out there (Nash, Weber) and seriously overvaluing some of our own talent.

I love comments like "we need to develop our own Weber" as if somehow developing one of the top defenseman of a generation is like growing a plant. Yeah we need to develop our own Weber, along with 29 other teams.

I believe Weber not only strengthens the powerplay, but gives the Rangers the type of elite defenseman that Stanley Cup winners tend to have. It's no coincidence that many of your successful teams over the years have had those kinds of guys (Lidstrom, Doughty, Chara, Pronger).

Defense may be a strength, but let's not kid ourselves. We don't have anyone on the level of Shea Weber. We also not to stop acting like the only thing he is is a powerplay specialist.

Yes we need scoring on the wings, that's not a question. But if you can get a guy like Weber for a package that includes Staal, a pick and a prospect, you gotta move on it. Period.
I agree with everything you just said, but what about the next step? Handing Weber a longterm deal of 12-14 years/$100M - 120M??? I just cant get on board with that.

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I agree with this.

We are seriously underestimating some prime talent out there (Nash, Weber) and seriously overvaluing some of our own talent.

I love comments like "we need to develop our own Weber" as if somehow developing one of the top defenseman of a generation is like growing a plant. Yeah we need to develop our own Weber, along with 29 other teams.

I believe Weber not only strengthens the powerplay, but gives the Rangers the type of elite defenseman that Stanley Cup winners tend to have. It's no coincidence that many of your successful teams over the years have had those kinds of guys (Lidstrom, Doughty, Chara, Pronger).

Defense may be a strength, but let's not kid ourselves. We don't have anyone on the level of Shea Weber. We also not to stop acting like the only thing he is is a powerplay specialist.

Yes we need scoring on the wings, that's not a question. But if you can get a guy like Weber for a package that includes Staal, a pick and a prospect, you gotta move on it. Period.
While I agree with you in your evaluation of Weber himself, I think many Ranger fans, myself included, are gunshy about puliing a deal like this that can gut the core of a team, after seeing it done to keep that 1994 magic alive all those years ago and seeing how that worked out for the Rangers.

It's a franchise altering move, there's a lot to think about there. Lot of potential ramifications, both good and bad.

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I could not disagree more. I cant get on board with trading Staal ++ and giving a guy a 14 year/$115M contract just because he can make the powerplay better. Its brutal asset management.

Besides, the powerplay wasnt a huge problem in the playoffs (especially as it wore on).

Boston won a cup 2 seasons ago with no powerplay to speak of, same with Los Angeles this season. They won with some serious depth up front and rock solid defense/goaltending. This Rangers team is missing the depth up front. I fail to see how handing Weber a ridiculous deal helps that now or down the road.
Mike Green makes the powerplay better.

Shea Weber transforms and entire defense.

The two teams you just pointed to in your argument have elite defenseman in Chara and Doughty respectively. And neither of those guys has been a finalist for the leagues top defenseman three years running. Weber has.
We need to et out of the mindset that the only thing Weber is good at is scoring. This guy is probably the most complete defenseman in the game today. If people don't like a guys salary or the cost, that's one thing. But I can't stand how we have to grossly undervalue a player to convince ourselves that they aren't worth getting.

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If anyone doesn't want to go after Shane Doan I would love to hear why. Yes his age is high but this guy is an absolute animal. He has been relied on as one of the top players for PHX for his career and has put up decent point totals. If he is on a team where he isn't the main focal point his type of play would be very valuable. Doan fits the style of hardworking to a T and adds a lot of depth and can play both PK and PP. I really don't see what reasons you can come up with not to go after him especially considering the mantra of this team.

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Jim Cerny's chats are informative. He indicated a few days ago the Rangers are looking at Hagelin to the fill the void on the PK this coming season whenever it starts. Dubinsky and AA are the two players he mentions when trade questions come up.

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Mike Green makes the powerplay better.

Shea Weber transforms and entire defense.

The two teams you just pointed to in your argument have elite defenseman in Chara and Doughty respectively. And neither of those guys has been a finalist for the leagues top defenseman three years running. Weber has.
We need to et out of the mindset that the only thing Weber is good at is scoring. This guy is probably the most complete defenseman in the game today. If people don't like a guys salary or the cost, that's one thing. But I can't stand how we have to grossly undervalue a player to convince ourselves that they aren't worth getting.
On the defensive side of the puck, the impact he would have over Staal (who most are trading for Weber) would be minimal, in my opinion. A healthy Staal is one of the top shutdown guys in the league as it stands. Im not underselling Weber's defensive prowess, or his prowess as a player in general, but the powerplay is where he would make a larger mark.

That said, his impending contract, which will likely be 12+ years with a cap hit of $8-8.5M per year is the dealbreaker for me. I dont think Im undervaluing Weber at all when he'll come with that wild cost.

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