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07-08-2012, 04:09 PM
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Yep, it's not like you are trading for washed up guys, you are getting a 30G winger, and a first line center. Like I said it depends on the package and where the organization feels Erixon is at ... if he can step right in and take top 4 mins, or if the ducks view Erixon as a top 4 dman, it would make the ducks younger, cheaper, more athletic ... and we become deeper, and most importantly stay young.

In reality the move is ducks get young and cheap and we get young/prime ready to win with a 3-5 year window. Actually the more I think about it ... it makes more and more sense.
Yeah it'd be great for a year until you have to resign those guys+other players we have who will be up for raises the next few years.


Come on, this isn't realistic.

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I would like to know what the rumor was, too. What's the point in deleting it? This is all speculation at this point.

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whats the rumor
This. I'm confused

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I know where you are coming from and I was on the fence about it until I started to look at the total package and where each team could benefit at the end ... and honestly it makes MORE sense than just giving up what we are rumored to for Nash.
Ducks imo would never trade both

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Mods delete the rumor yet keep posts by mods discussing it.

What the hell was it?
The tweet said Nash for Dubinsky, Anisimov, MDZ and a 1st.

Sorry mods (for the sake of clarity).

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Also - if there is one player I would "gut the team for" it would be Getzlaf

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Boyle I assume unless slats has something else lined up
no, he'll play 4C, but he can go to 3C depending on how the potential 3C fairs

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Boyle I assume unless slats has something else lined up
maybe sather was impressed by miller*... otherwise sadly it is looking like boyle if that trade went through. def the most interesting rumor so far. del zotto is the scariest part of the trade, but idk... he probably would survive


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My ideal scenario:

Scenario A: Offer Staal, 1st, Skjei, our two extra 3rds, and maybe Thomas for Weber.

Sign Shane Doan for 3 years at 5.0M per

This is probably more unrealistic than the first two deals, but I would then try to trade Dubi+ (non roster pieces) for Clowe.
FORWARDS
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)

Mike Rupp ($1.500m) /


DEFENSEMEN (switch McD and DZ)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.000m) / Shea Weber ($7.500m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m) / Anton Stralman ($1.300m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) / Michael Sauer ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

The year after:

Clowe-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Doan
Hagelin-Anisimov-Callahahn
Pyatt-Boyle-Asham
Rupp

McDonagh-Weber
Del Zotto-Girardi
Erixon-McIlrath

We can swap Rupp out for a low pick either this year or next or keep him as a spare.

Unrealistic? Absolutely. But it looks sexy as hell.

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The tweet said Nash for Dubinsky, Anisimov, MDZ and a 1st.

Sorry mods (for the sake of clarity).
Take out MDZ otherwise that deal opens up too many holes.

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maybe sather was impressed by mitchell... otherwise sadly it is looking like boyle if that trade went through. def the most interesting rumor so far. del zotto is the scariest part of the trade, but idk... he probably would survive
3 roster players is a tough pill to swallow

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The tweet said Nash for Dubinsky, Anisimov, MDZ and a 1st.

Sorry mods (for the sake of clarity).
Overpayment, can't give up 3 roster players.

Not saying it won't happen (hell do I know) but that seems like a really desperate play by Slats.

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We're actually a worst team with that trade because of the depth we lose

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Looking at the Pronger trades, Rangers should offer either:

Staal, Miller/Erixon/McI, 2013 1st, conditional 2014 1st (If Rangers make conference finals either year) and 2014 2nd.

Or

Substitute Dubinsky for Staal with two of Erixon/Miller/McI and the same picks included in the first proposal.

Then if the cap works out, try to sign one of Doan or Semin.

Kreider - Richards - Gaborik
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Doan
Pyatt - Boyle - Asham

McD - Weber
MDZ - Girardi
Erixon (if he's not dealt) - ufa vet
Bickel

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it would be quite a stupid move by sather.

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Take out MDZ otherwise that deal opens up too many holes.
Yea I would definitely do Dubi, Anisimov and a 1st for Nash. No question about it.

Can Howson get a better package for him at this point? I'm not so sure.

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Dubi AA mdz and 1st for Nash
I'd like to think we'd get a little more back there... I think this would tell you that the Rangers have a lot of confidence in Erixon... Also, maybe MDZ is looking for a higher raise then we thought and Rangers were unimpressed by the NJD series?

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Yeah it'd be great for a year until you have to resign those guys+other players we have who will be up for raises the next few years.


Come on, this isn't realistic.
Not really because Gabby would be coming off the books, and with the depth they would STILL have down below, if someone walked they could fill the roster spot (especially at defense).

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Looking at the Pronger trades, Rangers should offer either:

Staal, Miller/Erixon/McI, 2013 1st, conditional 2014 1st (If Rangers make conference finals either year) and 2014 2nd.

Or

Substitute Dubinsky for Staal with two of Erixon/Miller/McI and the same picks included in the first proposal.

Then if the cap works out, try to sign one of Doan or Semin.

Kreider - Richards - Gaborik
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Doan
Pyatt - Boyle - Asham

McD - Weber
MDZ - Girardi
Erixon (if he's not dealt) - ufa vet
Bickel
I really like this lineup.

The UFA vet would be a perfect spot for Roszival or Stralman.

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If that offer were true, slats has to have something else lined up.

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Yea I would definitely do Dubi, Anisimov and a 1st for Nash. No question about it.

Can Howson get a better package for him at this point? I'm not so sure.
I think its plenty fair. I've been saying it for awhile, CBJ gets younger, cheaper contracts, and two players who will produce more than Nash over a season

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hypothetically if we do trade dubi aa mdz 1st for nash our lineup is the following

Kreider-Richards-Gaborik
Nash-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Haley-Asham

McTruck-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Erixon-Bickel ????

Our top 6 is pretty legit but our depth is ehhh

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Discuss the trade offer not the legitimacy of the person doing the tweet.

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The tweet said Nash for Dubinsky, Anisimov, MDZ and a 1st.

Sorry mods (for the sake of clarity).
noooooooooooope

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After watching some old recorded games from last season, I realized that just like most people on this board, I have been enamored with the idea of a shinny new toy, such as Nash, Ryan or Semin.

I totally forgot what the real issue was, our 3rd line couldn't do ****, and should of actually been our 4th line. The most common complaint on this board wasn't about Stepan, Callahan, or our top 6 guys. We'll maybe dubi but he was demoted pretty early on, but was that Boyle and Prust should not be on the third line.

With Kreider coming up he helps solve this a little, but I think if we can sign a guy like Kostitsyn, or even Huelius and have them play 3rd line minutes this team will be able to survive until gaborik is back, and really be a force once he is playing.

Lets take a look at our lineup during the Winter Classic, compared to what it would be with the addition of a third liner.

Winter Classic Lineup:

Anisimov Stepan Gaborik

Callahan Richards Hagelin

Dubinsky Boyle Mitchell

Feds Rupp Prust

Fake 2012 - 2013 Lineup

Callahan Stepan Kreider (Gaborik*)

Dubinsky Richards Kostitsyn or Huselius (Kreider*)

Hagelin Anisimov Pyatt (Kostitsyn or Huselius*)

Asham Boyle Rupp (Pyatt*)


(*) = Line up when Gaborik is back



When Gaborik is back this lineup could potentially have a 3rd line of 3 30 pt players, I don't believe there is any other team in the NHL that has that type of depth.

While Teams won't have to worry about game planning to stop a two stars, they will have to spread their top 6 thin in order to prevent their third line from being taken to school.

Thoughts?

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