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07-08-2012, 05:04 PM
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My point was Toronto's support of teams outside the Leafs and Raptors is middle of the road for its size.
Well if you only want to look at the big four leagues, then I guess. I mean, shame on Toronto for not supporting the Jays the way the Yankees or Red Sox are supported. I mean, let's ignore that the Jays have been in existence since 1977 while those teams were around since 1901..but yeah, small details I guess.

If you want to look at the BIG picture of sports in Toronto, you can't ignore that Toronto has several professional sports leagues and are among the top valuable franchises in their respective league except for baseball. I can't take you seriously if you're telling me that Toronto's support for sports is middle of the road for its size when the support has made so many Toronto franchises so valuable to the leagues they play in. What more could you want from a city?

Your answer to this thread was New York City. You claimed they sell out for ALL sports. Factually incorrect. New York Red Bulls of the MLS don't sell out all of their games. They're team value is worth less than that of Toronto FC despite being in the league a decade longer. For the purpose of your argument, should we all pretend that the New York Islanders are not a NY team?

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07-08-2012, 06:06 PM
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Easily Montreal or Toronto. U.S.? Pittsburgh,Boston Buffalo
Sports city overall? Pittsburgh>Boston

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07-08-2012, 06:09 PM
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Easily Montreal or Toronto. U.S.? Pittsburgh,Boston Buffalo
Sports city overall? Pittsburgh>Boston
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07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
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seriously, Wikipedia as a source?

As Munch said, it's not true. In the mid to late 80's walk up greys were available minutes before (and after) game time.

I know, because I was there. I saw several games. Some nights we had whole rows to ourselves. Those tickets were unsold.
http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendan...h.php?tmi=8490

The empty seats were sold.

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07-08-2012, 06:17 PM
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Yes way.
Based on what?

No one thinks of Pittsburgh when they think of a sports city.

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07-08-2012, 06:26 PM
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Based on what?

No one thinks of Pittsburgh when they think of a sports city.
Which is why Pittsburgh was voted the best sports city in America right? The Steelers have sold out every game since 1972. Plus 14 major sports championships

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07-08-2012, 06:32 PM
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Which is why Pittsburgh was voted the best sports city in America right? The Steelers have sold out every game since 1972. Plus 14 major sports championships
They were voted the best sports city right after they won a few championships in that span. If you actually looked at the list, they were clearly basing it off the teams' performance in the city.

And you decided to bring up how many championships the city has? Boston has more than that with one of their teams.

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07-08-2012, 06:32 PM
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Boston is right now the top sports city. Toronto the best hockey city.
Not. Montreal lives and breathes hockey. Toronto has baseball, basketball and hockey and is a great sports town but hockey is the be and end all in Montreal. New York is by far the best sports town. 2 basketball teams, 2 baseball teams 2 football teams and a great hockey team.


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Montreal is best hockey city, Boston is best all-around sports city.

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07-08-2012, 06:39 PM
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Outside of supporting the Leafs Toronto sports fans can be fickle. Supported the Jays when they were winning/when the new Skydome was the place to be, have not supported them very well since. Worst supporters/fanbase in the CFL as well, yes it's the CFL

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07-08-2012, 06:44 PM
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Thats not true at all, especially considering half of MSG is Corporate Seating. The Yankees, Rangers and Giants have some of the weakest sellout crowds Ive been to, especially for such a huge market.

Knicks sellouts when theyre good, are by far the best crowd in the NBA. Jets fans make WAY more noise than Giants fans do (Im fan of neither team. Raiders..) and Ive never been to an Islander game so I cant speak for that.

Devils of course, mostly weak crowds throughout the season except for division games. The Nets were selling tix for like...$2 so yeah..

The NY Metro Area really doesnt live up to the hype of the marketplace. A massve amount of fairweather fashion-fans (half those yankee hats are just for style).

And it might bother NY/NJ folks to hear this, but Philly is a WAAAAY better sports town than New York is. Its not even close, really.
I think that title goes to Raptor fans. NBA playoffs in Toronto is electric. Not to mention the OKC crowd this past NBA playoffs was off the hook.


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07-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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Based on what?

No one thinks of Pittsburgh when they think of a sports city.
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07-08-2012, 07:29 PM
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This was always stated and written about so many times I guess it just became accepted. I don't care how many links you provide, I lived in Toronto during those years and it just wasn't true.

For years and years four of us would walk up ten minutes before game time without tickets. We'd have a mob of scalpers all fighting with each other over how much lower than face value they would sell us tickets. Greys, reds or golds, didn't matter, you could get them for a song. It was the exact same thing for the playoffs too.

I'm not knocking the leaf market, it's fantastic, but they did not sell out and it was very easy to get tickets in those days.

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07-08-2012, 07:34 PM
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My point was Toronto's support of teams outside the Leafs and Raptors is middle of the road for its size.
As of right now,the jays actually have a larger fan base and media coverage then the raps.

I'd place baseball second in Toronto with basketball a close 3rd, but Toronto is far and above a hockey city.

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07-08-2012, 08:11 PM
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Boston- Fenway Park is the best thing on the face of this earth, besides guacamole.


The 'best thing'? Really?

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07-08-2012, 08:18 PM
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Which is why Pittsburgh was voted the best sports city in America right? The Steelers have sold out every game since 1972. Plus 14 major sports championships
The Arizona Cardinals sell out every game, and they're terrible. Yet nobody talks about Phoenix being a great sports city. Because It's not.

Go look at the Penguins attendance before Crosby/Malkin, it was horrible.

Pirates. Enough said.


Pittsburgh is not even close to the best sports city in America.

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07-08-2012, 08:36 PM
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The Arizona Cardinals sell out every game, and they're terrible. Yet nobody talks about Phoenix being a great sports city. Because It's not.

Go look at the Penguins attendance before Crosby/Malkin, it was horrible.

Pirates. Enough said.


Pittsburgh is not even close to the best sports city in America.
what makes a city a great sports city? General interest? Quality of the teams? Spending money on the teams? Watching the teams? Does TV count?

Seriously, I am pretty sure this needs some sort of criteria to actually be discussed reasonably

And just an fyi: even when the attendance was bad, the Penguins were getting better TV ratings than any other US hockey cities other than Buffalo and maybe Detroit.


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07-08-2012, 08:47 PM
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Edmonton has sold out Oilers games for five years straight while being out of the playoffs and at the bottom of the standings much of that time. In this city we pack the prospect development camp in July, have a good turn out at training camp and sports radio is talking hockey 12 months of the year. You can talk Oilers with just about anyone at any time in the city and many people have no problem with their tax dollars being used to partly fund a new arena.

On top of that, we were getting 10,000+ out to major junior playoff games.

This is all in a "small market".

Edmonton loves hockey.


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07-08-2012, 08:54 PM
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what makes a city a great sports city? General interest? Quality of the teams? Spending money on the teams? Watching the teams? Does TV count?

Seriously, I am pretty sure this needs some sort of criteria to actually be discussed reasonably

And just an fyi: even when the attendance was bad, the Penguins were getting better TV ratings than any other US hockey cities other than Buffalo and maybe Detroit.
Link?

I have seen this posted multiple times but have never seen a source.

The Phillies have dominated local tv ratings and attendance numbers the past couple years. That doesn't make them among the best MLB cities.

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07-08-2012, 09:00 PM
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Funny thing is toronto is the complete opposite

NFL: Bills (arguably, closest thing we have)
NHL: Leafs
NBA: Raptors
MLB: Jays
They do play one "home" game in Toronto every year. Can't really compete with the Pats for history other than they still hold the record for most consecutive Superbowl appearances.

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I think that Buffalo should be in the mix if pittsburgh.


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Which is why Pittsburgh was voted the best sports city in America right? The Steelers have sold out every game since 1972. Plus 14 major sports championships
When? The best sports towns have been Chicago and St Louis(apparently)

http://www.stlsports.org/best/101.php

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07-08-2012, 09:21 PM
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Of cities with pro-teams (So no Las Vegas), it's between Atlanta and Miami for the worst sports city. In Miami even the Heat get drown out by Knicks fans.

But at least Miami has college football fans, so Atlanta is probably even worse.
Isn't ATL the center of SEC country? I would think it's at the top of the list for college football culture.

Anyway, I'm biased, but to me the best sports city has to be Chicago. Just spend a couple days here and you'll understand.

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07-08-2012, 09:31 PM
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When? And where is pittsburghs NBA team? The best sports towns have been Chicago and St Louis(apparently)


I assume he was referring to this ^

Pittsburgh is the smallest market to have 3 major sports teams. The NBA isn't going to risk adding a 4th major sports team to a market that is already saturated.

And how is St. Louis one of the best sports towns? By your logic, they don't have a NBA team so they shouldn't count.

Edit: Nvm. I just saw your link.

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