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07-08-2012, 08:19 PM
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Thats a big contract for competitive teams. Good players have ntc's and the gm's on this list need depth. Rangers come close but can they afford the.cap hit long term

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07-08-2012, 08:22 PM
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Hey Boston fans:

Would you do:

Peverly
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1st for

Nash

This is around what the Rangers have offered but this package looks comparable (a little better).
Looks pretty good from a Boston perspective, imo.

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07-08-2012, 08:24 PM
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So does Columbus want to win now or rebuild? The packages will be different in either case..
This is a great question. I get the feeling they want players right now that are young with a lot of potential or 1st round picks, some combination maybe?

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I think Nash would do the best in Philly or Pittsburgh. He would play along side Giroux for sure. And he would play with Crosby most likely with Neal already paired with Malkin...... Or they could leave Nash on the LW and make a line of ...

Nash/ Crosby or Malkin/ Neal




Nash, Please don't go to PIT

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I think Nash would do the best in Philly or Pittsburgh. He would play along side Giroux for sure. And he would play with Crosby most likely with Neal already paired with Malkin...... Or they could leave Nash on the LW and make a line of ...

Nash/ Crosby or Malkin/ Neal




Nash, Please don't go to PIT
Well one of those 3 would be gone. They have nothing else to give up

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07-08-2012, 08:32 PM
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I think Nash would do the best in Philly or Pittsburgh. He would play along side Giroux for sure. And he would play with Crosby most likely with Neal already paired with Malkin...... Or they could leave Nash on the LW and make a line of ...

Nash/ Crosby or Malkin/ Neal




Nash, Please don't go to PIT

They don't have the pieces. They have alot of D prospects to offer (CBJ have good D and alot of good D prospects already). So they're not good trading partners.

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07-08-2012, 08:33 PM
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So does Columbus want to win now or rebuild? The packages will be different in either case..
They are rebuilding but will refuse to call it that. You'll probably hear the words "Retool", "Reshape", "Re-something." It's pretty apparent they've given up on their old game plan with all the demands for young roster players.

My opinion is Nash will not be moved until after next season starts. No team seems to be trying that hard to acquire him. It will take a major injury or playoff desperation to ship him out.

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=974

I think we all missed something very important in the last thread. A Rangers trposter clearly implied that Rick Nash is a superstar.
Well done! Complete and total victory!

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They are rebuilding but will refuse to call it that. You'll probably hear the words "Retool", "Reshape", "Re-something." It's pretty apparent they've given up on their old game plan with all the demands for young roster players.

My opinion is Nash will not be moved until after next season starts. No team seems to be trying that hard to acquire him. It will take a major injury or playoff desperation to ship him out.
Like the one Marian Gaborik is having right now (and had in the playoffs) ?

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Would you trade Miller for Rickard Rakell?? He outproduced him on the same team, so that makes him better? But I know he gets extra "value" points cuz he was drafted by a top notch franchise.

And 2012 Playoff stats: Jenner-4g 7a 11p Thomas-2g 2a 4p...Who outproduced who? Thomas was like .1ppg better in the regular season. Factoring in the bonus "value" points for being a year younger and playoff performance we'll call it a wash with the "value" points Thomas gets for being Ranger property.

And since 2000 the Bluejackets have drafted 2 players who scored 20, the Rangers 4. Wow. How bout 40 goals?? Jackets: 1 and Rangers: 0...You cant add bogus "value" points to 0, thats a rule. So the simple "value" answer to to end all of this is that the Bluejackets need 2 of the 4 20 goal scorers for 1 40 goal scorer.

So 2 of Petr Prucha, Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky, Derek Stepan for Rick Nash. Simple as that.
Haha. It's not at all that simple. And it's a pretty silly way of trying to break things down.

One 40g scorer is worth a ton more than Two 20g scorers.

By that sort of foolish logic, Crosby is worth three ~17g scorers. Good deal.

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Thank god he took the leafs off his list. Although I think they could be one of the 1 or 2 mentioned.

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Haha. It's not at all that simple. And it's a pretty silly way of trying to break things down.

One 40g scorer is worth a ton more than Two 20g scorers.

By that sort of foolish logic, Crosby is worth three ~17g scorers. Good deal.
Not according to mathematics.

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Not according to mathematics.
Seriously? Then I have two 20 goal scorers to sell you for Crosby.

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Seriously? Then I have two 20 goal scorers to sell you for Crosby.
This.

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I don't think the chances of SJ are as great as people think. Couture definitely won't be moved. People keep throwing names out like Clowe and Pavs. I just don't see Columbus targeting players who could walk in such a short time. I understand the whole "we can move them later for more assets" argument but IMO that's not what Howson will look to do. I still think the rangers or flyers are much more likely.
word. sj has literally nothing left to give. BUT at the same time nash does seem like the sort of player dw would target. good, but lacking that 'it' factor. heatley, burns... thornton to some extent. etc. great players, but obviously not the ones that will push sj over the hump (boyle, for example, IS an example.) i'd prefer someone like doan over nash, especially if we were talking about a one year kind of deal.

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Article from The Columbus Dispatch with "outside" opinions from Brian Engblom (one-time CBJ color analyst), Eddie Olczyk, and Ray Ferraro:

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...ice-right.html

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07-08-2012, 09:51 PM
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Scratch the Pens from this list. The Pens don't have the assets it would take to get Nash anyways...that is unless Columbus plans on going to a 5 man unit of all defenseman

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“Most people I know feel like there’s more to give there yet with Rick,” said former NHL forward Ed Olczyk, now an analyst for NBC and Comcast SportsNet Chicago. “There’s still that untapped ability. You wonder what numbers he could put up if he played on a really good team with really good offensive players.



“Teams should be licking their chops to get this guy in their lineup. He has a chance to be a top-three goal-scorer in the league. Somebody is going to hit a grand slam with this guy.”
Nash is 28 years old. Suggesting that he has "untapped potential" is... interesting.

Though if he had a return to form, then in theory he would be a top-5 goal scorer, seeing as there were only 4 40 goal scorers last season.

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Why do I feel like this situation is one giant RickRoll?

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Nash is 28 years old. Suggesting that he has "untapped potential" is... interesting.

Though if he had a return to form, then in theory he would be a top-5 goal scorer, seeing as there were only 4 40 goal scorers last season.
"Eric Lindros being mentored by Mark Messier would return to his dominant old self!"

"Scott Gomez will score 90ish points playing with a star player like Jaromir Jagr!"

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So does Columbus want to win now or rebuild? The packages will be different in either case..
i don't even think we know anymore...


if BOS is in on it, i'd be interested in

Krejci
Spooner
Knight
1st

I believe there'd have to be a cap dump somewhere in there...but a basis IMO

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"Eric Lindros being mentored by Mark Messier would return to his dominant old self!"

"Scott Gomez will score 90ish points playing with a star player like Jaromir Jagr!"
The irony of the whole thing is that, when the Rangers WERE chasing after the overpaid, underproducing "name" players, the fans of the rest of the league mocked us for it. Now that the Rangers REFUSE to move heaven and earth for those same overpaid and underproducing "name" players, the fans of the rest of the league think we're foolish.

Keep Nash. His transcendent talent is clearly working wonders in Columbus' march to the top of the league.

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I wish there was a way to get him in Colorado.

I have felt for a long time now that Stastny + Nash would be a match made in heaven. Stastny plays best with big bodied power forwards that can shoot and win along the boards. Nash needs a playmaking center that knows how to be a part of a play without dictating the pace of the line.

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Not according to mathematics.
That's talking first grade adding up apples 1+1=2 math.

Nash is a hockey player. An elite one. We're talking about hockey players, not grade 1 math, and when that is the subject, 40g scorers are extremely scarce. In relative terms, 20g scorers grow on trees and new ones pop up every year. Ice time is a finite resource and not evenly distributed, matchups are not evenly distributed, consistency is not evenly distributed, and at the end of the day...nobody is going to want to trade a 40g guy for a pair of 20g guys, when they already have a deep well of potential 20g guys in their pocket. There's only so much room for 20g guys on a team, and when you're talking about premium 1st line minutes, you want more. 40g scorer more.

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Nash is such a bum. Don't open your mouth about wanting to be traded if you're only willing to be traded to 15% of the league.

This guy is no better than Heatley in my mind. Either man up and continue to play for your franchise, or go where ever will help said franchise the most.

No wonder Howson is looking like Howderp. He's been trying to make a trade work with only a handful of teams.

Just trade this bum already, even if you're getting a minimal return. Columbus gets better automatically without their dead weight, lead anchor cap hit and perennial loser captain. Addition by subtraction.

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