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Is Peter Forsberg considered an elite goal scorer?

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07-07-2012, 10:55 PM
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I agree with the idea that the "shooting more=more goals" argument is faulty. Forsberg picked his shots well and thus had a good shooting percentage. If he knew he didn't have a good chance at scoring he'd rather make a pass with his elite playmaking abilities instead. His shot wasn't extremely good or anything while his playmaking was, so if you say that Forsberg could score more if he shot more, then he'd be giving up so many set-up opportunities for assists.

Also important to note that on the power play (i.e. when they would be Forsberg would be playing with other top forwards), if you have a guy like Sakic on your team, he's the go-to guy for taking the shot.

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07-08-2012, 03:27 AM
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Wait...what? Forsberg was a monster with players drapped all over him, if you had said Jagr then you have a point, but Ovy? The rules don't even let defenders **** forwards the way they did when Peter did most of his damage.
You don't even know what you are talking about.

The elite goal scorers of the league can adjust to a bad pass or being covered good to be able to get the shot off.

There is a huge difference to controlling the puck or passing while being covered then shooting the puck.

Then add in Ovechkins ability to do it full stride. Its just not even close.

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07-08-2012, 04:04 AM
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Peter Forsberg is retired!

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07-08-2012, 04:47 AM
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Just to point out, Forsberg's best playoff stats are from the year he skipped all 82 games and only appeared in the playoffs. The guy was so rested and fresh compared to everyone else.
Just to point out, he still scored just .026 g/g more than his average playoff stats.

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07-08-2012, 05:24 AM
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You don't even know what you are talking about.

The elite goal scorers of the league can adjust to a bad pass or being covered good to be able to get the shot off.

There is a huge difference to controlling the puck or passing while being covered then shooting the puck.

Then add in Ovechkins ability to do it full stride. Its just not even close.
Ovechkin wouldn't be allowed to do the stuff he does now, during the dead puck era. Defensemen would've slashed his arms off. That was his point. Nobody could do, what players today are doing offensively, simply because the new rules don't allow defensemen to hook/ trip/ slash them as much as before. Today, they try to block the shot instead and try to be positionally sound. Forsberg in this era would've been a joke, because he was so good at stickhandling and holding on to the puck.

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07-08-2012, 06:21 AM
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Defensemen would've slashed his arms off. Forsberg in this era would've been a joke, because he was so good at stickhandling and holding on to the puck.
And the fanboys just keep coming with more ridiculous stuff every day. "Would have been a joke "

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07-08-2012, 10:55 AM
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You don't even know what you are talking about.

The elite goal scorers of the league can adjust to a bad pass or being covered good to be able to get the shot off.

There is a huge difference to controlling the puck or passing while being covered then shooting the puck.

Then add in Ovechkins ability to do it full stride. Its just not even close.
You don't even know what you're talking about. (this is a strange way to begin a post, but I'll follow your weird customs)

I wasn't arguing with the idea that Peter couldn't just decide to shoot more to be an elite goal scoring. I was just pointing out the absurdity of pretending that his ability to drag defenders on his back wasn't exceptional, in an era where defensemen were allowed to "dry hump" forwards in a way that they just can't get away with any more.

So while I may think Ovy would've adjusted to the dead puck era well and would've still been a great goal scorer, claiming that his ability to deal with today's defensemen drapped all over him is kinda silly when all it takes is a simply trip over to youtube to see that during most of the greatest moments of Foppa's career he was getting ***** by defenders in a way Ovy just hasn't had to deal with.

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07-08-2012, 11:22 AM
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I concur. The d-men during the dead puck era got away with stuff that by todays standard would get Shanahan crazy. Just look at the SF games with Dallas. Two guys climbing all over Forsberg and the head hunting... just crazy with the elbows to the head.

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Forsberg was an elite player, period...

He was an incredible playmaker and did not always look for his shot, in fact there was a time in Colorado when the coaching staff would get on his case about not shooting...

However, when he had opportunities to put the puck in the net and was not so concerned with setting up Hejduk, Kamensky, Claude Lemieux, Simon Gagne (while in Philly), etc... he would score some pretty goals...

The question is too narrow and lacks context, which is sorely needed in the discussion
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Forsberg: elite player, not an elite goal scorer.

Forsberg is not overrated in the slightest. Just because a few posters pimp him up ( like the OP ) with ridiculous claims, it doesn't take anything away from what he did on the ice and his skill level. He was one of the three best players in the game for a number of years, a two-way force who was a playoff beast. The guy deserves every single ounce of what the moniker warrior means in regards to a professional athlete. It's a shame injuries robbed players like him and Lindros from performing more during their prime.


Indeed.

Not a elite scorer, but an elite player and more important an elite play-off player.

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07-08-2012, 04:07 PM
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I always saw Forsberg as a playmaker and not a goal scorer...not unlike a Jason Spezza or a Sidney Crosby today.

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07-08-2012, 07:57 PM
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Forsberg was more of an elite playmaker to me, never saw him as much of a goal scorer.

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07-08-2012, 09:04 PM
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No, he's not an elite goal scorer. A playmaker.

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