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07-09-2012, 10:22 AM
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To Toronto:
C Patrik Berglund
G Brian Elliott

To St. Louis:
C Nazem Kadri
W Clarke MacArthur
D Stuart Percy
G Ben Scrivens
2nd Round Pick (2013)

A good rule of thumb for Leafs fans to follow is... In a trade proposal, if you are adding more assets than you are receiving, the Blues are probably not going to be interested.

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To Toronto:
C Patrik Berglund
G Brian Elliott

To St. Louis:
C Nazem Kadri
W Clarke MacArthur
D Stuart Percy
G Ben Scrivens
2nd Round Pick (2013)
Not close, it does not improve the Blues at all. We downgrade in goal and center(which we cannot afford to) for what? Berglund would be very hard to pry from STL and this surely would not do it.

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07-09-2012, 10:24 AM
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To Toronto:
C Patrik Berglund
G Brian Elliott

To St. Louis:
C Nazem Kadri
W Clarke MacArthur
D Stuart Percy
G Ben Scrivens
2nd Round Pick (2013)
Not a chance. I just said it up above, Berglund isn't moving unless its either an upgrade or overpayment. This is neither of those. We don't need MacArthur. We have plenty of wingers. Percy may be a nice prospect, but we don't need a prospect. And scrivens is a downgrade from Elliott. I see no incentive for the blues to do this. There's really only player the leads have that would interest me, and I'm not willing to pay the price for Gardiner.

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To Toronto:
C Patrik Berglund
G Brian Elliott

To St. Louis:
C Nazem Kadri
W Clarke MacArthur
D Stuart Percy
G Ben Scrivens
2nd Round Pick (2013)
Berglund is not available unless a better center with comparable size is coming back....

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07-09-2012, 10:29 AM
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A good rule of thumb for Leafs fans to follow is... In a trade proposal, if you are adding more assets than you are receiving, the Blues are probably not going to be interested.
Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect, more talented than Berglund.
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ.
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL.
2nd Round Pick (2013) - Very deep draft.

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07-09-2012, 10:33 AM
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Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect, more talented than Berglund.
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ.
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL.
2nd Round Pick (2013) - Very deep draft.
The Blues have Perron, McDonald, Steen and Schwartz on the LW... there is no need for MacArthur. We currently have 2 centres for our top 9; Berglund and Backes. There is no chance either gets moved.

The Blues aren't rebuilding anymore, why do we downgrade players to add futures when our current prospect pool looks fine as it is?

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07-09-2012, 10:37 AM
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Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect.
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ.
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL.
2nd Round Pick (2013) - Very deep draft.
They plug none of the Blues holes at all. They just create a huge hole at #2 center.
Berglund>Kadri
I'm not even sure Kadri is ready for the NHL next season

MacArthur plays wing the Blues have MacDonald, Steen, Perron, Oshie, Tarasenko, Stewart, Schwartz, and Dags as top 6 wingers. So I am not seeing a hole filled.

Percy is a prospect the Blues have defensive prospects.

Elliott>Scrivens So we are downgrading our backup goalie spot.

A 2nd is well a 2nd.

So you have made the Blues a worse team at 2 positions. Improved them at none. The Blues are a playoff team that is competing now and you have created a huge hole on the roster by trading Berglund. That trade is awful for the Blues and solves no need at all. So what holes did you fill?

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07-09-2012, 10:38 AM
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Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect, more talented than Berglund.
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ.
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL.
2nd Round Pick (2013) - Very deep draft.

The only way any of those assets would "plug a few holes" for the Blues is if they traded Patrik Berglund and Brian Elliott, creating those holes in the first place. Even then, the Blues would be replacing Berglund and Elliott with inferior players. That's pretty convenient for the Maple Leafs.

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Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect, more talented than Berglund. Sorry ill take Berglund,
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring. We have plenty of wingers, he would be a 4th liner on the Blues.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ. We don't need a prospect d-man, we need a #2 to go with Petro
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL. Should is not enough to replace Elliott
2nd Round Pick (2013) -Very deep draft. Not a need for us right now, we have a good prospect pool already.
We are not retooling or rebuilding. All this would do is make a couple of big holes without upgrading anything.

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07-09-2012, 10:47 AM
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Pretty sure the original trade was measured using NHL12's trade value bar. If the bars are equal length, it's a fair deal right? Doesn't matter if it creates holes in one team, and "fills" them with vastly inferior players.

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Pretty sure the original trade was measured using NHL12's trade value bar. If the bars are equal length, it's a fair deal right? Doesn't matter if it creates holes in one team, and "fills" them with vastly inferior players.
What's funny is that a couple of post above his last one, I responded to his first one with exactly what everyone just said. Plus his statement that kadri>berglund. I laughed hard at that one.

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Those are all quality assets that plug a few holes for St. Louis.

Kadri - Blue chip prospect, more talented than Berglund.
MacArthur - Good 2nd line winger, secondary scoring.
Percy - Almost a sure-thing NHL defenceman, very high IQ.
Scrivens - He should easily be a backup NHL goalie this year, it's not fair to keep him in AHL.
2nd Round Pick (2013) - Very deep draft.
If kadri is so talented why not keep him. Berglund has two 20 goal seasons under his belt to go along with excellent two way play. Come back when you can say the same about Kadri. So in addition to downgrading at center, you want us to take MacArthur? Who is more of the same of what we have? Percy is almost a sure thing? Well Nikita filatov was a sure thing and where is he now? We don't need a defense prospect. We need a legitimate top pairing defenseman. Elliott is a better goalie than Scrivens by a large margin at this point. And a 2nd is a 2nd. So in summary, you want our number two center and excellent backup for parts we don't need. I said it before, if Gardiner isn't coming back the other way, the Blues probably aren't interested

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