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07-09-2012, 04:35 PM
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If they do acquire Upton I can see Bautista being the DH or 1b.

Especially if the Jays lose EE in the off season, the DH and 1b look very weak.


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What about someone like Brad Lincoln? Former 1st round talent with good stuff whos a spot starter/reliever and is a bit down on the Pirates depth chart?

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If they do acquire Upton I can see Bautista being the DH or 1b.

Especially if the Jays lose EE in the off season, the DH and 1b look very weak.
I'll be pretty upset if EE just walks and all we get is a few picks.
He either needs to be resigned or traded for a damn good ML or close to ML prospect.

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"They know what they have to address, it’s just a matter of getting it done and I know they’re actively out there trying to make our club better continuously," Bautista said Monday during a frenzied media day session ahead of the home run derby. "Hopefully they come through and are able to make a good move... In the past there was a different view on what the rest of the season was going to be like, being so close to the second wild card has changed his mentality a little bit," said Bautista. "He knows we’re within striking distance and our offence is clicking so well, and we’re playing such good defence that if we get stronger on the pitching side that’s probably going to make our club come together and win even more games, because we’ve managed to play .500 ball with the problems we’ve had to deal with. ... Hopefully we get some help on the pitching side, I don’t think it’s a secret and I’m not saying it to put any pressure on the organization, or on Alex, or on the ownership, they’ll be the first ones to tell you that’s what we need to do," said Bautista. "I know Alex is doing his due diligence, trying to improve our ball club any way he can, but knowing we lost three starting pitchers in (four) starts, that’s a pretty big hit to take."

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What is Bautista talking about? Doesn't he know Rogers is cheap and AA is a sham GM surviving on smoke and mirrors promises about future prospects that will never arrive?

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What is Bautista talking about? Doesn't he know Rogers is cheap and AA is a sham GM surviving on smoke and mirrors promises about future prospects that will never arrive?
Clearly Bautista is one of the many suckers that just believes whatever they tell him. lol

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Luis Perez has torn UCL and will miss remainder of the season

The injuries strike again

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Luis Perez has torn UCL, will require Tommy John surgery

I don't even know what to say anymore.

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Clearly Bautista is one of the many suckers that just believes whatever they tell him. lol
What are you guys talking about? Bautista is (what sounds like to me) frustrated with the lack of moves AA is making. He is now putting pressure on AA to make a move stating that he feels that this team can compete now, while other (experts ) here feel our calling is in a few years. The star of our team is now forcing AA's hand. Basically his call for help because he wants to help this team win a championship while he's still in his prime.

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We need to seriously look at what we are doing mechanically with our pitchers, this is getting beyond coincidence.

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I already beat you to it

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Luis Perez has torn UCL, will require Tommy John surgery

I don't even know what to say anymore.
2, possibly 3 (Hutchison) of our pitches need Tommy John surgery. Definitely more than a coincidence now. Didn't McGowan also have TJ a couple years ago?

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Congratulations, your prize is a free Tommy John surgery!

Seriously though, something needs to be done about looking at the mechanics of these pitchers. I'm starting to wonder about the validity of the inverted-W theorists.

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This year has been plagued so much with injuries that even our rubber arm gets struck. Thank you baseball Gods.

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What are you guys talking about? Bautista is (what sounds like to me) frustrated with the lack of moves AA is making. He is now putting pressure on AA to make a move stating that he feels that this team can compete now, while other (experts ) here feel our calling is in a few years. The star of our team is now forcing AA's hand. Basically his call for help because he wants to help this team win a championship while he's still in his prime.
if he were calling AA's hand, he wouldn't include phrases like "I know they’re actively out there trying to make our club better continuously" or "I know Alex is doing his due diligence". If he didn't believe those things and was frustrated, he could just as easily say "I think we can go for it and hopefully we make some moves to get it done."

This sounds to me like he trusts Anthopoulos to make moves if they're there for the making.

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2, possibly 3 (Hutchison) of our pitches need Tommy John surgery. Definitely more than a coincidence now. Didn't McGowan also have TJ a couple years ago?
Hutch WILL need TJ surgery at some point. A ligament doesn't heal itself, so it's just a matter if he can strengthen the other muscles in his arm and shoulder enough to pitch through the discomfort, without injuring his UCL further.

I think McGowan had it earlier in his career, but Janssen, Litsch and Marcum come to mind as Jays pitchers who have had it in recent years.

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2, possibly 3 (Hutchison) of our pitches need Tommy John surgery. Definitely more than a coincidence now. Didn't McGowan also have TJ a couple years ago?
McGowan's issues were in his shoulder I think, not his elbow. IIRC they were problems that were deemed worse/more detrimental than the elbow injuries that require TJ.

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For anyone who doesn't know what I mean by the inverted-W, Death To The Inverted W is interesting reading, although no official studies have been done on the subject as far as I'm aware. But I don't see why it wouldn't be, especially with so many pitchers (not just Blue Jays) who have been put under the knife with TJ surgery this year alone.

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McGowan's issues were in his shoulder I think, not his elbow. IIRC they were problems that were deemed worse/more detrimental than the elbow injuries that require TJ.
Dustin did have Tommy John surgery in 2004.

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For anyone who doesn't know what I mean by the inverted-W, Death To The Inverted W is interesting reading, although no official studies have been done on the subject as far as I'm aware. But I don't see why it wouldn't be, especially with so many pitchers (not just Blue Jays) who have been put under the knife with TJ surgery this year alone.
I've read that, and it is a fascinating read, but it's somewhat undermined by the fact that Chris O'Leary doesn't have all the training necessary to be authoritative like he is on the subject. He doesn't have any medical training or education IIRC, striking considering how much he talks about the medical aspects of the issues.

I think there's merit to what he suggests, and it's at least a case of if there's smoke, there's fire. But I'd like to see some medical professionals evaluate what he's talking about to either confirm or refute his assorted hypotheses.

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if he were calling AA's hand, he wouldn't include phrases like "I know they’re actively out there trying to make our club better continuously" or "I know Alex is doing his due diligence". If he didn't believe those things and was frustrated, he could just as easily say "I think we can go for it and hopefully we make some moves to get it done."

This sounds to me like he trusts Anthopoulos to make moves if they're there for the making.
Jose seems like a nice guy. By that I mean I don't think he'd want to cause a problem, or give the media anything to play with by flat out saying he wants a move done. Those quotes just seem like a PR throw-in to not cause controversy but he also did not need to mention anything if he believed Alex is doing his due dilligence. I mean if you know he's doing his job why bring it up? I think Jose wants to go for it and is letting everyone know it, including AA. When your star player (in his prime) wants to go for it, I mean what are you going to say? No?

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I've read that, and it is a fascinating read, but it's somewhat undermined by the fact that Chris O'Leary doesn't have all the training necessary to be authoritative like he is on the subject. He doesn't have any medical training or education IIRC, striking considering how much he talks about the medical aspects of the issues.

I think there's merit to what he suggests, and it's at least a case of if there's smoke, there's fire. But I'd like to see some medical professionals evaluate what he's talking about to either confirm or refute his assorted hypotheses.
You'd think with the amount of money teams pay their players, having a medical study evaluate pitching mechanics would be a no-brainer.

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