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07-09-2012, 08:17 PM
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this should end there. Perfect agreement from this habs fan.

I don't want to see subban wear anything else than a habs jersey, even if it is to get a legit albeit somewhat controversial star.
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Habs need to add another player or pick.

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Awful deal for Montreal. Trading a young stud on d and a center for a winger and another D man of lesser calibur. I knew the rumor was a lie when they said they were waiting for Montreal to add.

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Perhaps a deal around Sharp for Plekanec ++ could be good for both sides, otherwise I don't see Subban + Pleky going away together, it just creates two big holes in the middle and defense.

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I'd do Pleks + for someone like Sharp. Otherwise I keep Pleks.. he's more valuable to this team than people give him credit for.

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Im not a fan of either team. Montreal wins in value but Chicago wins as it fills their holes and not Montreal's.

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07-09-2012, 11:12 PM
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get
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Subban

get
Kane
Hjarlmarsson

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-...umor/128/45505

NOTE: This is not Eklund. This actually seems like it an actual rumour.
the only way this deal would happen if montreal was rebuilding which they are not but a deal I think would make sense would be?

To Montreal

Kane
Seabrook

To Chicago

Subban
Plekenec
1st Rounder

thoughts?

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07-09-2012, 11:17 PM
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the only way this deal would happen if montreal was rebuilding which they are not but a deal I think would make sense would be?

To Montreal

Kane
Seabrook

To Chicago

Subban
Plekenec
1st Rounder

thoughts?
MUCH more sence.

People underate both Subban AND Plekanec.

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07-09-2012, 11:22 PM
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the only way this deal would happen if montreal was rebuilding which they are not but a deal I think would make sense would be?

To Montreal

Kane
Seabrook

To Chicago

Subban
Plekenec
1st Rounder

thoughts?
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MUCH more sence.

People underate both Subban AND Plekanec.


oh my god, please make it stop

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07-09-2012, 11:23 PM
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the only way this deal would happen if montreal was rebuilding which they are not but a deal I think would make sense would be?

To Montreal

Kane
Seabrook

To Chicago

Subban
Plekenec
1st Rounder

thoughts?
Make... sense...?

Chicago gives up the two best players. Help me out here.

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07-09-2012, 11:27 PM
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Make... sense...?

Chicago gives up the two best players. Help me out here.
Well, there's that almighty 1st round pick...

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07-09-2012, 11:28 PM
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Make... sense...?

Chicago gives up the two best players. Help me out here.
what would we have to add?

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Make... sense...?

Chicago gives up the two best players. Help me out here.
Seabrook is 27. Subban 23.
Plekanec has just has much value (if you don't count age..) if you compare him to Kane.

The big boner for Kane need's to stop. Small winger, Party kid, Coming off one bad season... I don't know.

People don't understand that assets like Plekanec and Subban (And Seabrook for the sake of it.) are very very very valuable. 2-way players are the way to go...

+ We add up a 1st (That should be low..) in one of the best draft in years...

Oh, and BTW its still a no for that proposal.

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07-09-2012, 11:39 PM
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I know you love your team and I do recognize my own bias as a Blackhawk fan, but you can't honestly think that Tomas Plekanec has the same value as Patrick Kane. Taking age into account or not. It is ludicrous either way.

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07-09-2012, 11:41 PM
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what would we have to add?
It isn't about adding. Why does Chicago trade the two best players in the deal (by a solid margin, I should add) so they can get worse in the immediate term, and very likely worse in the long term?
The foundation of the deal itself is just flawed. Not even looking at Montreal's side of things (they can ill afford to lose center depth, so trading Plekanec is a no-no), it makes zero sense for the Hawks to deal Kane or Seabrook - let alone both of them for immediate downgrades.

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I know you love your team and I do recognize my own bias as a Blackhawk fan, but you can't honestly think that Tomas Plekanec has the same value as Patrick Kane. Taking age into account or not. It is ludicrous either way.
If you don't take age into account, on one side you got a 70 point Offensive Dynamo and on the other you got one of the best two way player in the league good for a solid 60 point+...

Kane is not Gretzky, Plekanec is not Chris Kelly.

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A big, flashy deal that doesn't really do anything. Montreal upgrades at forward and downgrades on defense; Chicago downgrades at forward and upgrades on defense. It just isn't worth the inherent risk that comes with making a trade this big.

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07-10-2012, 12:05 AM
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If you don't take age into account, on one side you got a 70 point Offensive Dynamo and on the other you got one of the best two way player in the league good for a solid 60 point+...

Kane is not Gretzky, Plekanec is not Chris Kelly.
In his 7 NHL seasons, Plekanec has put up 60 points twice. In his 5 NHL seasons, Kane has put up 70 points four times, including an 88 point season, and has proven to be a very effective player in crunch time. The one year he didn't put up 70 points was this past one, where he played out of position for half the year or more and had linemates about as stable as francium.

Your labels aren't very fair.

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07-10-2012, 12:07 AM
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In his 7 NHL seasons, Plekanec has put up 60 points twice. In his 5 NHL seasons, Kane has put up 70 points four times, including an 88 point season, and has proven to be a very effective player in crunch time. The one year he didn't put up 70 points was this past one, where he played out of position for half the year or more and had linemates about as stable as francium.

Your labels aren't very fair.
I labeled Kane has a 70 points player. You labeled him has a 70 points player...

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Make... sense...?

Chicago gives up the two best players. Help me out here.
Think again! The 1st rounder could very well be a 1st overall and hold more value than any other players listed in this trade.


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the only way this deal would happen if montreal was rebuilding which they are not but a deal I think would make sense would be?

To Montreal

Kane
Seabrook

To Chicago

Subban
Plekenec
1st Rounder

thoughts?
Now it's too much going from Chicago. Kane is better than Plekanic and Seabrook is better than Subban. The first round pick doesn't even it out, there would also have to be something of value going back to Chicago.

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07-10-2012, 12:13 AM
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I labeled Kane has a 70 points player. You labeled him has a 70 points player...
You should have labeled him as an 80+ point player if you're putting Plekanec at 60+.

Heh, HF. I can't believe someone's actually arguing this.

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I labeled Kane has a 70 points player. You labeled him has a 70 points player...
Kane has been a ppg player 2 out of the last 3 years and is a ppg in the post season for his career. An elite first line talent.

Pleks is a very good two way center that can score 60 in a good year. An extremely good second line player or an average first line player.

Without taking age into consideration Kane is still much more valuable.

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Maybe the timing is now right to reunite Sam Gagner, Patrick Kane and Sergei Kostitsyn.

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well if the habs would do the original proposal, hello mckinnon...

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