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07-09-2012, 11:08 PM
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They swapped out Prust,Fedotenko and Mitchell for Pyatt,Asham and Halpern.

$5.35M vs. $3.25M. They saved $2.1M.
I guess that's a good thing when you are thinking about overpaying Nash ~2M/year. lol

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They swapped out Prust,Fedotenko and Mitchell for Pyatt,Asham and Halpern.

$5.35M vs. $3.25M. They saved $2.1M.
to be fair Mitchell played well for us in the playoffs and Prust brings a lot to the table but yes saving money on the bottom 6 is always good.

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They swapped out Prust,Fedotenko and Mitchell for Pyatt,Asham and Halpern.

$5.35M vs. $3.25M. They saved $2.1M.
You're not including a 13th forward.

What would Miller's cap hit be?

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Maybe so, but most of us agree Nash will improve our team. It's the cap hit and the term that concern myself and others.
I've been skeptical of the impact Nash would have on our lineup from the beginning.

Strictly on paper

Add 30-40 goals from Nash
minus 15-20 from Anisimov
minus 15-20 from Dubinsky
decreases our ability to absorb injuries

To say nothing of the fact that Nash's presence will decrease the looks Gaborik gets on the powerplay, so it could have a negative impact there too.

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Not only did we save $2.1M, but:

Halpern > Mitchell

Asham = Prust

Pyatt > Fedotenko

Our bottom six slightly improved, especially with Halpern's face-off abilities.

Halpern > Mitchell

Asham < Prust

Pyatt > Fedotenko

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Not only did we save $2.1M, but:

Halpern > Mitchell

Asham = Prust

Pyatt > Fedotenko

Our bottom six slightly improved, especially with Halpern's face-off abilities.
I would take Prust over Asham.

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You edited, so I edit, broadway blue.

Anyway... the player comparisons up there are wrong in comparing Pyatt with Fedotenko and Halpern with Mitchell. It's all about roles.

Mitchell, for all of his lack of offense, was used as an offensive utility player. Pyatt's role. Fedotenko was used as a defensive utility player. Halpern's role.

Asham < Prust
Pyatt >> Mitchell
Halpern = Fedotenko

Plus, some of Halpern's ability replaces Prust's.

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I would take Prust over Asham.
same here ... I actually like most of what Slats has done except Asham.

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Should I have said subtract instead? You know what I meant.
I figured that out afterwards. lol

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I've been skeptical of the impact Nash would have on our lineup from the beginning.

Strictly on paper

Add 30-40 goals from Nash
minus 15-20 from Anisimov
minus 15-20 from Dubinsky
decreases our ability to absorb injuries

To say nothing of the fact that Nash's presence will decrease the looks Gaborik gets on the powerplay, so it could have a negative impact there too.
Not to mention what happens when the salary cap goes down, and Stepan, McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, Lundqvist need new contracts...how many of them do we lose?

Granted Gaborik won't return...

Very risky.

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I've been skeptical of the impact Nash would have on our lineup from the beginning.

Strictly on paper

Add 30-40 goals from Nash
minus 15-20 from Anisimov
minus 15-20 from Dubinsky
decreases our ability to absorb injuries

To say nothing of the fact that Nash's presence will decrease the looks Gaborik gets on the powerplay, so it could have a negative impact there too.
I'm totally against the Nash move, and I think he's overrated to some degree. But I don't think you can argue that the team will be better with him in place of Dubinsky and Anisimov. They are strong enough defensively to absorb the impact or, at least make the damage negligible. The offense will improve, mostly on the PP, I'd imagine. I think the inconsistency on the PP really hurt, especially in the playoffs.

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I would take Prust over Asham.
At over over twice the price? Don't see what he brings to the table to justify 2.5M OR a 4 year deal.

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I've been skeptical of the impact Nash would have on our lineup from the beginning.

Strictly on paper

Add 30-40 goals from Nash
minus 15-20 from Anisimov
minus 15-20 from Dubinsky
decreases our ability to absorb injuries

To say nothing of the fact that Nash's presence will decrease the looks Gaborik gets on the powerplay, so it could have a negative impact there too.
This logic is flawed because someone has to take the place of the 2nd player removed from the roster. You have to add in their production, or the difference in their production with the extra ice time as opposed to where they were in the lineup originally.

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At over over twice the price? Don't see what he brings to the table to justify 2.5M OR a 4 year deal.
not for the price, but I would take Pruster any day over Asham.

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Should I have said subtract instead? You know what I meant.
Although you do need to add the XX-YY goals added by whoever takes one of the departed players' spots.

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Also, we'll see about Pyatt being better than Fedotenko. Pyatt has a tendcy to disappear for a few games at a time. Halpern lessens the blow.

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not for the price, but I would take Pruster any day over Asham.
Right, I think we're mostly all in agreement there. If Prust would have taken even 1.8M/year he'd probably be here for the next several years.

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At over over twice the price? Don't see what he brings to the table to justify 2.5M OR a 4 year deal.
Not bringing price into it. Prust is a better player than Asham.

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This logic is flawed because someone has to take the place of the 2nd player removed from the roster. You have to add in their production, or the difference in their production with the extra ice time as opposed to where they were in the lineup originally.
No, actually it isn't. You evaluate the trade based on the players in it. That's why I said strictly on paper.

And even so if it was

plus 30-40 goals from Nash
plus 10 goals from Pyatt
minus 15-20 goals from Dubinsky
minus 15-20 goals from Anisimov
decrease ability to absorb injuries

Are those 10 extra goals and our decreased depth really worth a high level prospect and a first round pick?

I don't mean to turn this into a Nash thread. Sorry mods. My thoughts on the subject are fluid tonight.

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You edited, so I edit, broadway blue.

Anyway... the player comparisons up there are wrong in comparing Pyatt with Fedotenko and Halpern with Mitchell. It's all about roles.

Mitchell, for all of his lack of offense, was used as an offensive utility player. Pyatt's role. Fedotenko was used as a defensive utility player. Halpern's role.

Asham < Prust
Pyatt >> Mitchell
Halpern = Fedotenko

Plus, some of Halpern's ability replaces Prust's.
I did it in terms of position/role.

Prust and Asham are fighters. Prust however does have more hockey to him, although I'd rate them about equal when being used on the 4th line.

Halpern and Mitchell are both centers. I'll take Halpern please.

Pyatt and Feds are wingers. I want more offense in my bottom six. I'll take Pyatt.

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No, actually it isn't. You evaluate the trade based on the players in it. That's why I said strictly on paper.

And even so if it was

plus 30-40 goals from Nash
plus 10 goals from Pyatt
minus 15-20 goals from Dubinsky
minus 15-20 goals from Anisimov
decrease ability to absorb injuries

Are those 10 extra goals and our decreased depth really worth a high level prospect and a first round pick?

I don't mean to turn this into a Nash thread. Sorry mods. My thoughts on the subject are fluid tonight.
Not sure I agree with that. I mean the trade doesn't take place in a vacuum. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at your lineup after the trade compared to before?

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Always liked Halpern, even if he isn't the player he once was.

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Not sure I agree with that. I mean the trade doesn't take place in a vacuum. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at your lineup after the trade compared to before?
You can disagree with it if you want, that's fine. I just think of those things differently, because there are other assets involved in the supposed deal besides those 3 players. I did that kind of breakdown, from my perspective, in the post you just quoted.

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You can disagree with it if you want, that's fine. I just think of those things differently, because there are other assets involved in the supposed deal besides those 3 players. I did that kind of breakdown, from my perspective, in the post you just quoted.
It's all good. Personally I'd prefer we just pass on Nash. In the next 6 months I feel confident that we could deal for a 25G guy who would cost far less and help the team nearly as much.

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