HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2007 Draft Revisited

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-09-2012, 10:27 PM
  #26
MoldyCakes
Fight, Troll, Score
 
MoldyCakes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Maryland native
Country: United States
Posts: 7,975
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiXEN8 View Post
Alexandre Daigle says HI
Wasn't Daigle's failures due to laziness and not lack of ability?

MoldyCakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-09-2012, 10:49 PM
  #27
WeeBey
Registered User
 
WeeBey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Well no, not really. It was a great draft and a terrible trade. The two are mutually exclusive.
Obviously. It just seems weird/pathetic to brag about how great a draft the Habs had when management traded one of the top-5 players in that draft for nothing.

It's great for scouting, but just an utter embarrassment and painful in every other possible way.

WeeBey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 08:21 AM
  #28
Uwey
Registered User
 
Uwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Lunenburg, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
Looks like McKeens was pretty much on the money.


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ght=2007+draft

Uwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 08:41 AM
  #29
poetryinmotion
Registered User
 
poetryinmotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,493
vCash: 500
I think we should stop revisiting the 2007 draft It's like the 2005 one but in reverse where we actually got our Carter/Richards and then some, the end.

poetryinmotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 08:52 AM
  #30
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 36,194
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uwey View Post
Looks like McKeens was pretty much on the money.


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ght=2007+draft
Someone posted our Top 20 prospect list (like what we're voting on now) and damn, it is a hell of a list. If we have that much success with our current crop of prospects (and don't trade them away for peanuts), we'll be solid:

Quote:
#1 - Carey Price (93.03% of the votes)
#2 - Andrei Kostitsyn (71.64%)
#3 - Ryan Mcdonagh (28.20%)
#4 - Kyle Chipchura (35.35%)
#5 - Jaroslav Halak (36.61%)
#6 - David Fisher (27.74%)
#7 - Sergei Kostitsyn (25.12%)
#8 - Mikhail Grabovski (39.57%)
#9 - Max Pacioretty (43.75%)
#10 - Ben Maxwell (28.72%)
#11 - Alexei Emelin (37.17%)
#12 - Pavel Valentenko (55.69% of the votes)
#13 - Maxim Lapierre (38.71%)
#14 - Ryan O'byrne (60.90%)
#15 - Matt D'Agostini (41.12%)
#16 - Ryan White (45.68%)
#17 - P.K. Subban (45.03%)
#18 - Mathieu Carle (74.81%)
#19 - Corey Locke (22.47%)
#20 - Olivier Fortier (23.08%)
14 bonafide NHLers (Price, A. Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Chipchura, Halak, S. Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Pacioretty, Emelin, Lapierre, O'Byrne, D'Agostini, White, Subban)
2 in-betweeners (Maxwell & Carle)
4 busts (Fischer, Valentenko, Locke, Fortier)

hototogisu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 09:06 AM
  #31
poetryinmotion
Registered User
 
poetryinmotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,493
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
14 bonafide NHLers (Price, A. Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Chipchura, Halak, S. Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Pacioretty, Emelin, Lapierre, O'Byrne, D'Agostini, White, Subban)
2 in-betweeners (Maxwell & Carle)
4 busts (Fischer, Valentenko, Locke, Fortier)
Wow that's impressive.

Franchise level: Price
Possibly franchise level: Subban
Elite: Pacioretty, McDonagh, Halak
Good, servicable NHL'ers: the rest

poetryinmotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 09:20 AM
  #32
DAChampion
Registered User
 
DAChampion's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canberra, Australia
Country: Australia
Posts: 10,159
vCash: 500
hahahaha Subban was ranked our 17th best prospect

DAChampion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 11:03 AM
  #33
Uwey
Registered User
 
Uwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Lunenburg, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Someone posted our Top 20 prospect list (like what we're voting on now) and damn, it is a hell of a list. If we have that much success with our current crop of prospects (and don't trade them away for peanuts), we'll be solid:



14 bonafide NHLers (Price, A. Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Chipchura, Halak, S. Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Pacioretty, Emelin, Lapierre, O'Byrne, D'Agostini, White, Subban)
2 in-betweeners (Maxwell & Carle)
4 busts (Fischer, Valentenko, Locke, Fortier)

& yet Trevor Timmins & the past regime was constantly hammered about their inability to draft!!!!


BTW, Maxwell was resigned by the Jets the other day, so he will probably rival Chipchurla & D'Agostini in ice time this & over the next couple of seasons.

Uwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 11:15 AM
  #34
Uwey
Registered User
 
Uwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Lunenburg, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
#1 - Carey Price - Starting goaltender
#2 - Andrei Kostitsyn - 2nd/3rd line winger
#3 - Ryan Mcdonagh - 1st pairing D-man
#4 - Kyle Chipchura - 4th line centerman
#5 - Jaroslav Halak - Starting Goaltender
#6 - David Fisher - Bust
#7 - Sergei Kostitsyn - 3rd line winger
#8 - Mikhail Grabovski - 2nd line centerman
#9 - Max Pacioretty - 1st line winger
#10 - Ben Maxwell - 4th line forward
#11 - Alexei Emelin - 2nd pairing D-man
#12 - Pavel Valentenko - All-star AHLer(bust)
#13 - Maxim Lapierre - 3rd/4th line centerman
#14 - Ryan O'byrne - 2nd pairing D-man
#15 - Matt D'Agostini - 3rd/4th line winger
#16 - Ryan White - 3rd/4th line forward
#17 - P.K. Subban -1st pairing D-man
#18 - Mathieu Carle - Bust
#19 - Corey Locke - Bust
#20 - Olivier Fortier - Bust

Uwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 01:53 PM
  #35
montreal
Moderator
Go Habs Go
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Greenland
Posts: 26,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uwey View Post
& yet Trevor Timmins & the past regime was constantly hammered about their inability to draft!!!!


BTW, Maxwell was resigned by the Jets the other day, so he will probably rival Chipchurla & D'Agostini in ice time this & over the next couple of seasons.
And rightly so, as the general fan base is mostly going to be concerned about the 1st round picks and there was a time when it sure wasn't looking so pretty for Timmins 1st round picks. Kostitsyn has had his share of problems here, Chipchura didn't pan out here although it's poor asset management, Price getting booed in pre-season and all the Halak vs Price stuff, Fischer busting, fans were upset when McDonagh wanted to go back to the NCAA for his 3rd year, Pacioretty struggled in his first 2 pro seasons and while not a 1st rounder our 1st pick in '08 sure has gotten some heat around here for the frost bite incident and not signing this summer.

But then Price goes on to be a top 10 goalie or there abouts. Pacioretty goes into beast mode and now looks like a legit 1st PF (depending on your def of a PF), McDonagh looks like he's going to be a very good top 4 D for a long time and Chipchura is a regular on the 4th. It just goes to show that sometimes fans need to chill out a little and let things unfold. But since this is the Habs board, that will never happen, everything will be blown out of proportion all the time.

As for Maxwell, his contract is a two way whereas Chipchura and D'Agostini are on 1 ways so he might not see a lot of NHL time this season.

montreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 01:58 PM
  #36
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 31,271
vCash: 883
It's really hard to believe how bad of a draft the Habs had in 2006 based on past and future drafts.

Watsatheo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 02:28 PM
  #37
MoldyCakes
Fight, Troll, Score
 
MoldyCakes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Maryland native
Country: United States
Posts: 7,975
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
And rightly so, as the general fan base is mostly going to be concerned about the 1st round picks and there was a time when it sure wasn't looking so pretty for Timmins 1st round picks. Kostitsyn has had his share of problems here, Chipchura didn't pan out here although it's poor asset management, Price getting booed in pre-season and all the Halak vs Price stuff, Fischer busting, fans were upset when McDonagh wanted to go back to the NCAA for his 3rd year, Pacioretty struggled in his first 2 pro seasons and while not a 1st rounder our 1st pick in '08 sure has gotten some heat around here for the frost bite incident and not signing this summer.

But then Price goes on to be a top 10 goalie or there abouts. Pacioretty goes into beast mode and now looks like a legit 1st PF (depending on your def of a PF), McDonagh looks like he's going to be a very good top 4 D for a long time and Chipchura is a regular on the 4th. It just goes to show that sometimes fans need to chill out a little and let things unfold. But since this is the Habs board, that will never happen, everything will be blown out of proportion all the time.

As for Maxwell, his contract is a two way whereas Chipchura and D'Agostini are on 1 ways so he might not see a lot of NHL time this season.
Eh, any first rounder who can't graduate past the fourth line is a failure given the value 1st round picks are supposed to give to a team. Would Chipchura fit in our bottom 6 now? No. Would he have been about to outdo Lapierre, Pyatt, or Darche? Debatable.

MoldyCakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 02:29 PM
  #38
montreal
Moderator
Go Habs Go
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Greenland
Posts: 26,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsatheo View Post
It's really hard to believe how bad of a draft the Habs had in 2006 based on past and future drafts.
'08 isn't looking very pretty right now either but when you look at all the NHLers from '03, '04, '05, and '07 you can chalk it up to weak draft class and not having a lot of picks for the '08 draft with just 5 and our 1st pick wasn't unitl 56th.

It will be interesting to see how the '09 class does, really like Leblanc and Bennett but after that not sure what else we will get from that draft. Dumont might turn into something but it's hard to say since he's really smallish for a grinder and you have to wonder how it will translate for him at the pro level. Nattinen might turn into something, too soon to tell and Avtsin well at least he's under contract for 2 more years so we'll see if he can put it together. Walsh will need to stay healthy and show he's worth a contract next summer.

2010 though is starting to take shape, with Tinordi, Gallagher, Ellis we stand a good shot at having 3 solid NHLers in time and MacMillan looks good so far, so in a couple years he might be something as well.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Blame it on PK View Post
Eh, any first rounder who can't graduate past the fourth line is a failure given the value 1st round picks are supposed to give to a team. Would Chipchura fit in our bottom 6 now? No. Would he have been about to outdo Lapierre, Pyatt, or Darche? Debatable.
Personally I wouldn't look at it that way, if you are drafting 18th or around there, if you get someone that is a solid player for you on the bottom line then I'd be happy. Yes he should be better then a 4th liner but a number of 1st round picks don't even make the NHL full time. I look at success more in not where someone was drafted but the impact they have on our team.

Chipchura i was a fan of during his time in Hamilton and I felt he would have been someone we could have used last year on the 4th line. A White Chipchura Prust line would be fine by me.


Last edited by montreal: 07-10-2012 at 02:35 PM.
montreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 02:49 PM
  #39
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 31,271
vCash: 883
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
'08 isn't looking very pretty right now either but when you look at all the NHLers from '03, '04, '05, and '07 you can chalk it up to weak draft class and not having a lot of picks for the '08 draft with just 5 and our 1st pick wasn't unitl 56th.

It will be interesting to see how the '09 class does, really like Leblanc and Bennett but after that not sure what else we will get from that draft. Dumont might turn into something but it's hard to say since he's really smallish for a grinder and you have to wonder how it will translate for him at the pro level. Nattinen might turn into something, too soon to tell and Avtsin well at least he's under contract for 2 more years so we'll see if he can put it together. Walsh will need to stay healthy and show he's worth a contract next summer.
56th was the lowest the Habs have ever had their 1st pick in a draft so I give a bit of slack for 2008. I'm fairly confident in Kristo as a prospect though. Qualier is pretty intriguing as well.

2006 though was not only a pretty strong draft, the Habs had 4 picks in the top 66. It's likely that at most we'd come out of that draft with one decent 4th liner.

The draft that I hated at the time but is looking more and more impressive as time goes on is 2010. Especially when you consider it was one late 1st and late picks. Tinordi, Gallagher, and Ellis already have made somewhat of a name for themselves while a guy like MacMillan is looking poised to have a break out year soon in the NCAA.

Watsatheo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 03:01 PM
  #40
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 36,194
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
And rightly so, as the general fan base is mostly going to be concerned about the 1st round picks and there was a time when it sure wasn't looking so pretty for Timmins 1st round picks. Kostitsyn has had his share of problems here, Chipchura didn't pan out here although it's poor asset management, Price getting booed in pre-season and all the Halak vs Price stuff, Fischer busting, fans were upset when McDonagh wanted to go back to the NCAA for his 3rd year, Pacioretty struggled in his first 2 pro seasons and while not a 1st rounder our 1st pick in '08 sure has gotten some heat around here for the frost bite incident and not signing this summer.

But then Price goes on to be a top 10 goalie or there abouts. Pacioretty goes into beast mode and now looks like a legit 1st PF (depending on your def of a PF), McDonagh looks like he's going to be a very good top 4 D for a long time and Chipchura is a regular on the 4th. It just goes to show that sometimes fans need to chill out a little and let things unfold. But since this is the Habs board, that will never happen, everything will be blown out of proportion all the time.

As for Maxwell, his contract is a two way whereas Chipchura and D'Agostini are on 1 ways so he might not see a lot of NHL time this season.
Good post. I especially hope the great seasons Pacioretty and McDonagh had last year (not to mention Price's continued development) go some way to dispelling the "Timmins can't draft in the first round" line of thinking.

hototogisu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 03:06 PM
  #41
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 15,238
vCash: 500
Anyone who feels smug about having had the #3 pick as a result of the Habs' futile performance this past season should sit up and take notice. This "if McDonagh, no Galchenyuk" connecting-the dots reasoning bugs has its own flaws, the most obvious being, who's better, Galchenyuk or McDonagh? It may turn out to be McDonagh after all. Without including McDonagh in the trade it might have fallen apart. That probably would have been a good thing. Koivu has had greater success in the past few years than Gomez and would have cost less to sign, with a shorter contract and a much smaller cap hit. Without the trade the Habs would have retained Higgins. Would he have been worse than some of the LWs the Habs have tried in despair? I'm not sure of that. Also, they could have included him in a different package. Finally, Timmins wouldn't have been able to land Galchenyuk but he might have drafted fairly well even with a lower pick.

Teufelsdreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 03:19 PM
  #42
montreal
Moderator
Go Habs Go
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Greenland
Posts: 26,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsatheo View Post
56th was the lowest the Habs have ever had their 1st pick in a draft so I give a bit of slack for 2008. I'm fairly confident in Kristo as a prospect though. Qualier is pretty intriguing as well.

2006 though was not only a pretty strong draft, the Habs had 4 picks in the top 66. It's likely that at most we'd come out of that draft with one decent 4th liner.

The draft that I hated at the time but is looking more and more impressive as time goes on is 2010. Especially when you consider it was one late 1st and late picks. Tinordi, Gallagher, and Ellis already have made somewhat of a name for themselves while a guy like MacMillan is looking poised to have a break out year soon in the NCAA.
Still '08 could get ugly depending on how it goes for Kristo, I'm a big fan of skill level and upside but we'll have to see how it goes for him once he turns pro next summer.

'06 could easily end up as Timmins worst, I remember that when they got Maxwell and White there was talk that they could have gone late 1st round, but it hasn't panned out. Since they have had several good drafts I'm willing to chalk up the '06 draft to you can't win them all. Will be interesting to see how '09 does as it's on shaky ground and '10 could be a big winner for Timmins and the organization.

montreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 03:57 PM
  #43
Uwey
Registered User
 
Uwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Lunenburg, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
And rightly so, as the general fan base is mostly going to be concerned about the 1st round picks and there was a time when it sure wasn't looking so pretty for Timmins 1st round picks. Kostitsyn has had his share of problems here, Chipchura didn't pan out here although it's poor asset management, Price getting booed in pre-season and all the Halak vs Price stuff, Fischer busting, fans were upset when McDonagh wanted to go back to the NCAA for his 3rd year, Pacioretty struggled in his first 2 pro seasons and while not a 1st rounder our 1st pick in '08 sure has gotten some heat around here for the frost bite incident and not signing this summer.

But then Price goes on to be a top 10 goalie or there abouts. Pacioretty goes into beast mode and now looks like a legit 1st PF (depending on your def of a PF), McDonagh looks like he's going to be a very good top 4 D for a long time and Chipchura is a regular on the 4th. It just goes to show that sometimes fans need to chill out a little and let things unfold. But since this is the Habs board, that will never happen, everything will be blown out of proportion all the time.

As for Maxwell, his contract is a two way whereas Chipchura and D'Agostini are on 1 ways so he might not see a lot of NHL time this season.

Before kicking the **** out of this group, maybe we should compare how other teams prospect faired from the '07 prospect list, eh???

Uwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 04:26 PM
  #44
montreal
Moderator
Go Habs Go
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Greenland
Posts: 26,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uwey View Post
Before kicking the **** out of this group, maybe we should compare how other teams prospect faired from the '07 prospect list, eh???
not sure what you are saying here.

1- who is kicking and what group are you refering, all of Timmins draft picks, just Timmins 1st round picks, or just '07 picks?

2. why would you compare the Habs picks to other teams?

montreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-10-2012, 09:19 PM
  #45
WeeBey
Registered User
 
WeeBey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uwey View Post
Before kicking the **** out of this group, maybe we should compare how other teams prospect faired from the '07 prospect list, eh???
NHL.com did re-draft just after the playoffs started and three of the top ten were habs picks (Subban at 4, McD at 5 and Patches at 8) It's pretty clear they had one of, if not the best drafts that year.

And yes, I realize how contradictory this is to my earlier post....

WeeBey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-11-2012, 03:42 AM
  #46
Uwey
Registered User
 
Uwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Lunenburg, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
I quoted the post that I was making the arguement against. It started with;

"And rightly so, as the general fan base is mostly going to be concerned about the 1st round picks...."

Which was a response to my post;

"& yet Trevor Timmins & the past regime was constantly hammered about their inability to draft!!!!"

Uwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-11-2012, 03:57 AM
  #47
MoldyCakes
Fight, Troll, Score
 
MoldyCakes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Maryland native
Country: United States
Posts: 7,975
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
Personally I wouldn't look at it that way, if you are drafting 18th or around there, if you get someone that is a solid player for you on the bottom line then I'd be happy. Yes he should be better then a 4th liner but a number of 1st round picks don't even make the NHL full time. I look at success more in not where someone was drafted but the impact they have on our team.

Chipchura i was a fan of during his time in Hamilton and I felt he would have been someone we could have used last year on the 4th line. A White Chipchura Prust line would be fine by me.
Maybe not a complete failure, but absolutely disappointing from an expectations point of view.

Chipchura is only now, after being dumped by Anaheim. an established 4th liner. He didn't show up with us, and we had bottom-sixers outperforming him, like Lapierre, Pyatt, Metro, etc.

One could spin Nokelainen's career in the same way, since he was picked 16th overall in the same draft, but I somehow doubt Islanders fans are moping about the fact that he's found a spot with us after bouncing around in the league.

MoldyCakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:07 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.