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07-10-2012, 08:11 AM
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just looking at all these lineup projections..minus Prust ,NYR is still looking fine.He isnt going to be that badly missed.I was a big fan of his..But 2.5 for a 4th liner Pk,er and tought guy,is ridiculous.

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07-10-2012, 08:14 AM
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I think Sather has brought in good characters/personalities to replace the ones we had. The Pyatt signing has really grown on me. I like the Halpern move.

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No, no it doesn't. Look, with this signing the Rangers now have 13 NHL forwards (14 if you include Haley), which is exactly what they went into last season with. This kind of move would've been made with or without a trade.
Expressing solidarity with this admirably sane person.

Of course some of those guys could be traded, but this move has nothing to do with it.

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I'm sorry, but choosing Boyle to play center on the 3rd line over Anisimov is plain silly.

Arty played LW last yera out of necessity, not because that was the best fit for him.

AA's bad season could be attributed to playing a position he hasn't played since he's become a pro. and evenn then he posted better numbers than Boyle's career high.

If anything, assuming we do not get Nash or an upgrade to LW, I would move Boyle to RW and play him with Dubi on the LW and AA at center.

Kreider - Richards - Gaborik
Hagelin - Stepan - Callahan
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Boyle
Rupp - Halpern - Asham

Personally, I'd prefer to keep the big lumbering soft Boyle on the 4th line. Bt that's me.
PLD I have seen you on these boards for Years so I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. First you are going to call Boyle soft, but want to replace him with Anisimov as our shutdown center? Artie gets pushed off the puck easier than ANY other player on our team and is not physical at all. Sure Boyle cannot fight for his life, but he is a very physical player who uses his frame well.

Putting Anisimov on the 3rd line is a waste of his offensive abilities. Artie had 16 goals and 20 assists last season getting minutes with Callahan, Gaborik, and Stepan. His numbers are barely better than Boyle, he played with top 6 talent, and got PP time. Artie is very good defensively, but making him the 3rd line center is a WASTE of his offensive ability because we do not have the depth to play him with players who can produce on the 3rd line.

Anisimov played his best hockey with Gaborik and Stepan, playing him with Boyle and Dubinsky isn't going to happen until December, so it would be Pyatt-Anisimov-Boyle, maybe a good shut down line, but will they not produce many goals. It will actually hurt both Artie and Boyle both to be playing without a playmaker.


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Good on PK and face offs. Solid signing.

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From watching Halpern last season I can vouch for the fact that he is an animal in the face-off circle, however his skating is REALLY lacking at this point in his career. If the Rangers were going to sign a face-off specialist I would have rather had Konopka.

Also, I believe Boyle will be the team's 3rd line LW/C with Anisimov taking the center ice posititon after face-offs.

Boyle-Anisimov-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

And yes, Asham and Rupp will be in the line-up pretty much every night. They both can play and add "jam" as Torts calls it.
I am hoping Halpern is prepared to work with Underhill this summer on skating, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! Also wasn't Halpern battling through injuries for parts of the season?

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Dubinsky and AA are packing their bags

Hope that's not the case. Dont want Nash.

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Bleh, I thought he looked horrendous when he stepped in and played during the Caps series. Good faceoff guy - wouldnt be the end of the world if hes the 13th forward or 4th line center if someone is on the move.

Alright, Glen, 4th line seems pretty set - time to make some impact moves, please.

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I am hoping Halpern is prepared to work with Underhill this summer on skating, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! Also wasn't Halpern battling through injuries for parts of the season?
Underhill works for the Leafs. No one is working with Underhill.

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Underhill works for the Leafs. No one is working with Underhill.
gary roberts officially works for the stars and he still works out and trains players from all around the league every summer

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move anisimov to 3rd line c. Move boyle in a package for nash. Halpern to 4th line c.

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Who cares about Halpern's skating at this point? We have a bunch of excellent skaters on the team, and great speed up front and on the blueline. Sometimes you have to sacrifice in areas of strength to strengthen areas of weakness. A slow 4th line center isn't going to do much damage to the team overall, but his ability to win key faceoffs and play great defense, especially on the PK, will help the team big time. And if Dubinsky and/or Anisimov are dealt, they are going to need someone to step up and kill some penalties. Halpern is one of the best in the business.

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Who cares about Halpern's skating at this point? We have a bunch of excellent skaters on the team, and great speed up front and on the blueline. Sometimes you have to sacrifice in areas of strength to strengthen areas of weakness. A slow 4th line center isn't going to do much damage to the team overall, but his ability to win key faceoffs and play great defense, especially on the PK, will help the team big time. And if Dubinsky and/or Anisimov are dealt, they are going to need someone to step up and kill some penalties. Halpern is one of the best in the business.
Because if he plays with Asham and Rupp, that line may not do so well. If he was playing with Dubinsky and Pyatt, that would be different.

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I don't think those guys are going to get big minutes at even strength. Asham isn't that bad of a skater, though. I imagine Rupp is going to take get games off fairly often to keep his legs fresh.

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As things are right now, there would be no room for any rookie F to make the team, at all.

A trade is coming....

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Riiiight. It's reaching to say that Pyatt-Halpern-Asham can produce more goals than Rupp-Mitchell-Prust. What was I thinking?
So we're signing Halpern and Asham to score goals???

If you want to tell me the Rangers didn't want to spend the extra cap space that it would have taken to sign Prust, Feds and Mitchell, I can understand that (might not agree with it, but I get it), but you get what you pay for...and the Rangers have gotten less versatile and older.

Mitchell, Prust and Feds are 27, 28 and 33, respectively. Pyatt, Asham and Halpern are 32, 34 and 36.

Asham and Halpern are limited players. Asham is a 34 year old thug who is breaking down physically. Halpern is a bordeline NHL regular at this point who brings little to the table except a better faceoff percentage than Mitchell (almost 7% points better last season...FYI - Mitchell's FO% was tops on the Rangers in the playoffs, excluding Feds who went 8-1). Pyatt's the only one I would consider a regular contributor of the three and for a guy his size, he doesn't play physical enough a lot of the time.

Prust got the 9th most icetime among the Ranger forwards last year. He's not just a 5 minute per game goon. Fedotenko had the ability to slide up the depth chart when Torts wanted a spark. Mitchell brought more to the table than Halpern.

The Rangers are re-shaping their team. The final product might wind up just as effective as last year's version but it's not because these three recent additions are going to play a major role.


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Also, is this the Rangers first ever Jewish player?
Mike Hartman?

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Underhill works for the Leafs. No one is working with Underhill.
Didn't know Underhill was gone, I hope we get someone to work with Bickel, Pyatt, and even Halpern, but his decline in skating ability looks more due to age and miles than anything else.

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Mathieu Schneider was another Jewish Ranger.

Edit: Saw that it was already referenced above.

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I always thought a good nickname for him would be:

"Christ He's Useless"
Gary Thorne calls him Useless, but that's just because he might be the world's foremost butcher of foreign names. Probably because he's an idiot.

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PLD I have seen you on these boards for Years so I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. First you are going to call Boyle soft, but want to replace him with Anisimov as our shutdown center? Artie gets pushed off the puck easier than ANY other player on our team and is not physical at all. Sure Boyle cannot fight for his life, but he is a very physical player who uses his frame well.

Putting Anisimov on the 3rd line is a waste of his offensive abilities. Artie had 16 goals and 20 assists last season getting minutes with Callahan, Gaborik, and Stepan. His numbers are barely better than Boyle, he played with top 6 talent, and got PP time. Artie is very good defensively, but making him the 3rd line center is a WASTE of his offensive ability because we do not have the depth to play him with players who can produce on the 3rd line.

Anisimov played his best hockey with Gaborik and Stepan, playing him with Boyle and Dubinsky isn't going to happen until December, so it would be Pyatt-Anisimov-Boyle, maybe a good shut down line, but will they not produce many goals. It will actually hurt both Artie and Boyle both to be playing without a playmaker.
When I refer to Boyle as soft it's with the mindset that for a guy his size, he should not be the guy picking himself up off the ice more often than the guy he's battling with along the boards. I do not see the same player you are seeing in terms of Boyle using his size to his advantage. Not nearly as much as he should. Not so worried about the fighting part as I have come to accept that that is not part of his game and we do have guys for that stuff, but I'm talking about in front of the net and wearing down opposing defenceman. He doesn't do that and for a guy his size, I think that's just down right sad.

As for Arty, he's as good as Boyle defensively. Maybe a shade behind but the difference is marginal at best. Additionally in this day and age, there are no shut-down centers in the mold of your user name. With scoring needed throughout the line up, you sacrifice a little on defence for an offensive upgrade which AA is. A slight downgrade on D and a significant upgrade on Offence.

Especially when you start adding more talent to the top 6, wingers that were 2nd liners last year now slide back to the 3rd line. You want a centerman in that spot that can better take advantage of those players. Boyle cannot do that.

Assume for a second we do nothing. I'd prefer to have AA play center to either Hagelin OR Dubinsky over Boyle every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Boyle has his place on this Rangers team. That place is either a winger for the 3rd line (I have my opinions on that) or as the teams 4th line center and since we just signed Halpern for that role, I'm not sure that I see a need for Boyle other than a 3rd line RW.

And for the record, AA has played his best hockey with the Rangers centering Dubinsky and Callahan, but that was 2 seasons ago and before Torts last season shifted him to LW out of necessity.

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As things are right now, there would be no room for any rookie F to make the team, at all.

A trade is coming....

Agreed.

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