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07-10-2012, 09:30 AM
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oh look another Stastny thread...

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07-10-2012, 09:40 AM
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Stastny is certainly worth a lot, because everyone keeps asking about him. We are selling, but the price will be very high.

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07-10-2012, 10:21 AM
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I think what a lot of people (Leaf fans) are missing in these Stastny threads is the context in which Stastny would be moved. Basically there are 2 types of trades in the NHL, "hockey" trades and "situational" trades. A hockey trade would be 2 teams swapping players to fill holes on their current roster with small add-ons to equal out value. A situational trade is when a player isn't getting along with management or cap reasons that sort of thing. With Stastny the Avs would be looking for a hockey deal to fill a hole - most notablely a top pairing D or a top line winger. Sure picks or prospects can be added from either side but the main pieces would be Stastny and a D or W of equal (or close to value). So any deals that are a collection of lower tier players that together would "equal" Stastny is of no interest to the Avs. The Avs will only move Stastny in order to improve their team, but they won't move him just for the sake of making a trade. So Leafs fans are getting bent because Colorado fans don't like packages of players such as Bozak, MacA, a prospect and pick. Well a package like this doesn't make the Avs better then just keeping Stastny. I get not wanting to make a Phaneuf type trade (multiple lesser pieces) and wanting to make a Quincey/Downey type deal.

To summarize if your proposal does not include a top 3 LHD (on a contender) or a top line winger then the Avs won't be interested. If your proposal consists of 7 smaller pieces then the Avs won't be interested. If MacA is the best player going back to the Avs then they won't be interested. If a player who has never played in the NHL is the best piece going back for Stastny then the Avs won't be interested. If you expect the Avs to take a cap dump back then Colorado won't be interested.

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07-10-2012, 10:25 AM
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If that is the price it takes to get him, you guys can be assured that he wont be dealt.

I don't see any team paying that price for Stastny, let alone the Leafs. Asking for one young stud + makes sense, but two of them is just way too much.

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07-10-2012, 11:45 AM
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I wish he would get traded, just so we don't have to see these threads popping up every other hour.

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07-10-2012, 12:16 PM
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I think what a lot of people (Leaf fans) are missing in these Stastny threads is the context in which Stastny would be moved. Basically there are 2 types of trades in the NHL, "hockey" trades and "situational" trades. A hockey trade would be 2 teams swapping players to fill holes on their current roster with small add-ons to equal out value. A situational trade is when a player isn't getting along with management or cap reasons that sort of thing. With Stastny the Avs would be looking for a hockey deal to fill a hole - most notablely a top pairing D or a top line winger. Sure picks or prospects can be added from either side but the main pieces would be Stastny and a D or W of equal (or close to value). So any deals that are a collection of lower tier players that together would "equal" Stastny is of no interest to the Avs. The Avs will only move Stastny in order to improve their team, but they won't move him just for the sake of making a trade. So Leafs fans are getting bent because Colorado fans don't like packages of players such as Bozak, MacA, a prospect and pick. Well a package like this doesn't make the Avs better then just keeping Stastny. I get not wanting to make a Phaneuf type trade (multiple lesser pieces) and wanting to make a Quincey/Downey type deal.

To summarize if your proposal does not include a top 3 LHD (on a contender) or a top line winger then the Avs won't be interested. If your proposal consists of 7 smaller pieces then the Avs won't be interested. If MacA is the best player going back to the Avs then they won't be interested. If a player who has never played in the NHL is the best piece going back for Stastny then the Avs won't be interested. If you expect the Avs to take a cap dump back then Colorado won't be interested.
How about both LHD & top-6 winger?

Kaberle+Bourque.... Perfect fit, no?

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07-10-2012, 12:26 PM
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Like the Yzerman vs Sakic threads, there needs to be a Stastny thread pinned somewhere.

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07-10-2012, 12:41 PM
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With Johnson the Avs don't need Jbo.
Jbo would be a great fit on our team actually. The thing is we cant part with our only proven first line centre. We would have to package a winger, a d man and a prospect/picks in order to get somebody like jbo.

In other news, i hear the habs are trading Ryder, Halak and a 2nd for Schenn, Kadri and Bozak.

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I think what a lot of people (Leaf fans) are missing in these Stastny threads is the context in which Stastny would be moved. Basically there are 2 types of trades in the NHL, "hockey" trades and "situational" trades. A hockey trade would be 2 teams swapping players to fill holes on their current roster with small add-ons to equal out value. A situational trade is when a player isn't getting along with management or cap reasons that sort of thing. With Stastny the Avs would be looking for a hockey deal to fill a hole - most notablely a top pairing D or a top line winger. Sure picks or prospects can be added from either side but the main pieces would be Stastny and a D or W of equal (or close to value). So any deals that are a collection of lower tier players that together would "equal" Stastny is of no interest to the Avs. The Avs will only move Stastny in order to improve their team, but they won't move him just for the sake of making a trade. So Leafs fans are getting bent because Colorado fans don't like packages of players such as Bozak, MacA, a prospect and pick. Well a package like this doesn't make the Avs better then just keeping Stastny. I get not wanting to make a Phaneuf type trade (multiple lesser pieces) and wanting to make a Quincey/Downey type deal.

To summarize if your proposal does not include a top 3 LHD (on a contender) or a top line winger then the Avs won't be interested. If your proposal consists of 7 smaller pieces then the Avs won't be interested. If MacA is the best player going back to the Avs then they won't be interested. If a player who has never played in the NHL is the best piece going back for Stastny then the Avs won't be interested. If you expect the Avs to take a cap dump back then Colorado won't be interested.
It's a good thing we have you to tell us how hockey trades "work". If you (Avs fans) think you can get a JVR AND a Jake Gardiner in return for Paul Stastny, it's you who should be getting lessons on how trades work.

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07-10-2012, 02:22 PM
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How about both LHD & top-6 winger?

Kaberle+Bourque.... Perfect fit, no?
You might think so but Bourque is exactly the kind of thing our management stays away from. There is a reason we traded Wolski, Chris Stewart, and then recently let Peter Mueller walk.

If your not giving 100%, 100% of the time - then Avs will not sign you, or trade for you.

Kaberle+ and at least we are listening though - I doubt we would listen for very long. Kaberle is 35 years old and out of his prime. That doesn't make sense for us to trade when the nucleus of our team is 20-26 years old.

Maybe if you have a 27 or 28 yo LHD in his prime, we'll listen for longer.

And honestly, Subban might be a world beater but we wouldn't be interested in him for the same reasons as point #1.

IMO, we would want Pacioretty back. Take it or leave it

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07-10-2012, 02:29 PM
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Hjalmarsson+ Tuevo/McNeil

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You might think so but Bourque is exactly the kind of thing our management stays away from. There is a reason we traded Wolski, Chris Stewart, and then recently let Peter Mueller walk.

If your not giving 100%, 100% of the time - then Avs will not sign you, or trade for you.

Kaberle+ and at least we are listening though - I doubt we would listen for very long. Kaberle is 35 years old and out of his prime. That doesn't make sense for us to trade when the nucleus of our team is 20-26 years old.

Maybe if you have a 27 or 28 yo LHD in his prime, we'll listen for longer.

And honestly, Subban might be a world beater but we wouldn't be interested in him for the same reasons as point #1.

IMO, we would want Pacioretty back. Take it or leave it
He was joking about Bourque, hence the

Would something around Kaberle + Plekanec work?

Pacioretty - Stastny doesn't work because we have plenty of centres and we lack wingers as it is.

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He was joking about Bourque, hence the

Would something around Kaberle + Plekanec work?

Pacioretty - Stastny doesn't work because we have plenty of centres and we lack wingers as it is.
As a fan of both teams I don't see this happening.

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Anything involving Bozak is a great deal for us.

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He was joking about Bourque, hence the

Would something around Kaberle + Plekanec work?

Pacioretty - Stastny doesn't work because we have plenty of centres and we lack wingers as it is.
as a fan of neither team, Plekanec is better overall than Stastny, and both have been in a few years of decline.
...but, Plek's cap hit tilts if way in his favor. they have similar production, but Plekanec is better defensively, and cheaper.

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How about Perron and a 1st?

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So to get the Stastny proposals to stop, we just have to increase the asking price?

Excellent.

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as a fan of neither team, Plekanec is better overall than Stastny, and both have been in a few years of decline.
...but, Plek's cap hit tilts if way in his favor. they have similar production, but Plekanec is better defensively, and cheaper.
Not sure if I agree with this at all. Especially because (for the 1000th time) the cap hit is a non-issue for us. We have plenty of cap space.

Care to explain the better defensively part? Stastny is quite responsible defensively and he does PK. What sets Plekanec apart here?

Production-wise it's even more of a laugher:

Plekanec has 311 points in 470 total NHL games. That's a PPG of .662.

Stastny has 374 points in 427 total NHL games. That's a PPG of .876.

You can't seriously say that Plekanec is better overall can you? The difference in cap hit is about 2% of the entire salary cap so that's a non starter.

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How about Perron and a 1st?
Nope. Haven't you read these proposals? We only want a top pairing LHD or an elite scoring winger. Perron is good but he's not elite and he has injury issues.

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Stastny is certainly worth a lot, because everyone keeps asking about him. We are selling, but the price will be very high.
I think Stastny keeps getting mentioned because 1) Colorado is deep at C; 2) he's had a couple of off years; which leads to: 3) he seems attainable. There are probably lots of centers who rank higher, but their value is too high to consider (e.g. Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, etc.). Stastny isn't at that Elite-1C level. He's in the next group of very good centers you could actually trade for...

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How about Perron and a 1st?
How about Perron + Pietrangelo + 2nd for

Stastny + Jones + 1st

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Lupul + Conditional pick (depending on health of Lupul) + D prospect not named Rielly?

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Lupul + Conditional pick (depending on health of Lupul) + D prospect not named Rielly?
For a 2nd round pick? Sure!

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How about Perron + Pietrangelo + 2nd for

Stastny + Jones + 1st
They won't trade Pietro.

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