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07-10-2012, 10:45 AM
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Currently as a Leaf? Not much.... maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder if a team is ravaged with injuries.


Next season as a Flyer/Shark/Blackhawk/RedWing/etc? Probably a late 1st or 2nd plus a B+ prospect.


Thats how the HF turkeys think.
Are you freaking kidding me?

He has had two solid seasons of producing 40 + pts, 20 G, and he only makes 3.25 M.

His value is around a mid 2nd + project prospect IMO.

Players like David Steckel get traded for a 4th.

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07-10-2012, 10:51 AM
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Are you freaking kidding me?

He has had two solid seasons of producing 40 + pts, 20 G, and he only makes 3.25 M.

His value is around a mid 2nd + project prospect IMO.

Players like David Steckel get traded for a 4th.

Do you not see what I was doing there?

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07-10-2012, 10:54 AM
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Do you not see what I was doing there?
Completely missed it.

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Didn't Brian Burke turn down a late 1st rounder at the trade deadline? Has his stick fallen that much ??
He got offers of a 1st for guys like Grabovski and a couple others but I think I read that the Macarthur was a conditional 1st. I don't know what the condition was but I doubt it would've been met.

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Maybe something like MacArthur + 2nd to NJ for Clarkson since he's a UFA next year?

Clarkson isn't big or anything but he plays pretty tough and can score goals.
Clarkson is a Guy who'd take a discount to stay with Devils. He isn't moving

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07-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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I love how my fellow Leaf fans assume that Kadri will steal Mac's second line spot. I don't care how long he's been in the system or how highly touted he is, Kadri has to EARN that spot first.

That said I'd say its probably a late first or early second. Maybe a good player on a bad contract. I'd rather package him if we do have to move him.

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07-10-2012, 11:18 AM
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Clarkson is a Guy who'd take a discount to stay with Devils. He isn't moving
No offense, I heard the EXACT same thing about Parise the last 12 months.

I don't doubt it's possible. I am just saying that I am now convinced more than ever that anyone can move at any given time to any given team.

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07-10-2012, 11:29 AM
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In terms of a draft pick, I think he'd be worth a 2nd rounder.

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07-10-2012, 11:34 AM
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MacArthur's value is pretty underrated around here. Leafs fans underrated him especially. Also, most people who don't watch Leaf games don't think much of him, even moreso when looking at his stats.

Fact of the matter is, he's had back-to-back 20 goal years - he is one year removed from a 62 point season and he would've hit similar numbers (at least 50 points) if a certain linemate of his scored more than 7 goals this year (looking at you, Kulie).

MacArthur has a wickedly accurate slap shot, he's fast, and he plays with some sandpaper. He's not a fighter but he will fight if he has to, he finishes his checks, and he can score. MacArthur's biggest problem is that he needs top six minutes to be most effective and I feel most teams wouldn't give him that.
The problem with CMac for the Leafs is not the point totals it's the little else that he offers which contributes to the Leafs being an easy team to play against.

Toronto didn't have any problems scoring goals last season but we had a lot of trouble keeping the puck out of our net and the forwards were a big reason.

CMac isn't good defensively and gets knocked off the puck far to easily especially just inside are blueline. Why do you think CMac is never used in a shutdown role or on the penalty kill?

He doesn't need to be traded before the season but I sure hope he's gone part way through the season because Kadri takes his place as a winger who gets secondary powerplay time. If Kadri is given the same opportunity I think he could put up 40-50 points this year.

His offensive numbers are representative of what 2nd line players with secondary powerplay time normally put up. Just like how Ex Leafs Wellwood and Sullivan put up similar numbers last year. Or Stajan, Antropov and Poni put up similar production with similar opportunity when in Toronto.

Based off Andrei Kositsyn getting a 2nd rounder this past deadline. I'd say CMac goes for a 2nd PLUS something like a 3rd/4th OR longshot project prospect.

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07-10-2012, 11:36 AM
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I'd take him in Vancouver, but we wouldn't have much to offer up in the way of toughness.

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07-10-2012, 12:20 PM
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Are you freaking kidding me?

He has had two solid seasons of producing 40 + pts, 20 G, and he only makes 3.25 M.

His value is around a mid 2nd + project prospect IMO.

Players like David Steckel get traded for a 4th.
I agree that a 2nd and project prospect are probably close to fair value for MacA. The problem I see with MacA is that he doesn't do anything well enough to be considered a specialist - ie. he isn't stellar defensively (PK) or overly physical (fights, blocked shots etc.) and he isn't a proven scorer. Yes he has 1 60+ point season in a year when everyone else on his line had their best offensive seasons but in his other 3 and a bit seasons he is basically been a 35-40 pt player making him a below average 2nd line winger without the attributes to be an elite 3rd line winger. The other issue effecting MacA's value is that he's only 1 year from free agency so any team looking to add MacA need to consider whether or not he will stick around past this year. His 3.25 cap hit isn't too bad, but it's a lot for a 3rd liner so his value would be higher to a team in need of improving their top 6 - but if MacA is in your top 6 you probably are not a contender and don't really want a 1 year rental at the expense of prospects and picks. I don't see teams lining up to acquire MacA, he seems more like a less expensive option if other deals don't go through.

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Imo he's worth around the same as Jones. That being said, it's not that hard to find players like Jones or Macarthur. They'd be most valuable in a package rather then by themselves. Unless it's the trade deadline. Then it could honestly be around a 1st+ from a desperate team...

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07-10-2012, 12:34 PM
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I see MacArthur as a guy who is likely moved at the allstar break if Kadri can demonstrate the ability to supplant him from the spot.

He could be moved to upgrade the top 6 in a package, but I doubt it.

The value in this thread seems right. Though I imagine he'll easily get a late first at the deadline.

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07-10-2012, 12:41 PM
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what about something around mac and clowe? i get the impression that san jose fans wouldnt mind moving clowe for someone a little quicker. they both are on expiring contracts but mac is a little cheaper and a little younger and could possibly be a decent fit in san jose. clowe would likely want to sign with a contender as a ufa but for a year he could probably really help the leafs.

imo straight up is reasonable but if not i think their value is close enough that it could be balanced with prospects/picks

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Good post.

Why do so many Leafs fans want to trade MacArthur?

Because he clicks with our best/highest paid/most productive center in Grabovski. He was one of our most consistant forwards the last two years. He gets paid a reasonable amount, especially when compared to what some UFA's just got (Parenteau).

We don't need the cap space. We don't desperately need the roster spot. And we expect to be in competition for a playoff spot, not selling off players for futures before the season even starts.

I can guarantee that there aren't many teams that want MacArthur on their team as much as the Leafs do. So why would anyone pony up a price worth selling him for?

The only way I see him getting dealt is part of a package to get help at center (highly unlikely if I'm honest), or mid season if Kadri is substantially out playing him.
As I mentioned before there is no room for him in our top six so I think we can use him to get a talented bottom six kind of guy.

I would target Hecht, Korpikowski, Pyatt etc as defensive wingers that can play with McClement on the third line.

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I'd take him in Vancouver, but we wouldn't have much to offer up in the way of toughness.

What would be your offer?

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07-10-2012, 05:37 PM
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What would be your offer?
I'm not making an offer because I don't want to low ball you guys. I'm guessing you're looking for a piece that will help you win now, we have no such piece to offer you. Unless MacArthur was traded for a pick or prospect, we simply do not have anything to offer. MacA would be a piece I'd like included in the Luongo deal though, if it were to happen.

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I'm not making an offer because I don't want to low ball you guys. I'm guessing you're looking for a piece that will help you win now, we have no such piece to offer you. Unless MacArthur was traded for a pick or prospect, we simply do not have anything to offer. MacA would be a piece I'd like included in the Luongo deal though, if it were to happen.
MacArthur for Hodg... I mean Kassian

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MacArthur's value should have taken a hit last season. After his early season suspension he really laid off the physical play until late in the year and even then it was not up to snuff with the previous year. He needs to get it all back this season.

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Clarke MacArthur for Joshua Bailey.
Pass from the Leafs.

We get the worse player in the deal, plus Bailey doesn't fill a need, and we lose grit doing this deal.

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Islanders are in need of a LW and I believe they need to spend.

LW Clarke MacArthur $3.250 UFA after 2012-2013 season

C David Ullstrom $891 666 6'3 198 RFA after 2012-2013 season
LW Matt Martin ($852500) 6'3 209 RFA now

Do the leafs need to add? Not enough?
I think Martin would sign close to the same amount considering he is from Windsor
Pass from the Leafs, love the game Martin plays though, but we need to upgrade our lineup, and we are giving up a 2nd or 3rd line guy for a 4th liner and a center who hasn't proven himself and probably won't help us next season.

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Good post.

Why do so many Leafs fans want to trade MacArthur?

Because he clicks with our best/highest paid/most productive center in Grabovski. He was one of our most consistant forwards the last two years. He gets paid a reasonable amount, especially when compared to what some UFA's just got (Parenteau).

We don't need the cap space. We don't desperately need the roster spot. And we expect to be in competition for a playoff spot, not selling off players for futures before the season even starts.

I can guarantee that there aren't many teams that want MacArthur on their team as much as the Leafs do. So why would anyone pony up a price worth selling him for?

The only way I see him getting dealt is part of a package to get help at center (highly unlikely if I'm honest), or mid season if Kadri is substantially out playing him.


Because he is no longer the shiny new toy in town.

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Maybe something like MacArthur + 2nd to NJ for Clarkson since he's a UFA next year?

Clarkson isn't big or anything but he plays pretty tough and can score goals.
Mac is the better player of the 2, so why are the Leafs giving up a 2nd also?

I love the game Clarkson plays, would love to have him on the team, but I don't know if I would do Mac for Clarkson straight up, let alone adding a 2nd round pick. Mac can play a 2nd line role for us, while Clarkson is a third liner, he did have a good season last year, but he hasn't proven he can play at that level consistently.

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what about something around mac and clowe? i get the impression that san jose fans wouldnt mind moving clowe for someone a little quicker. they both are on expiring contracts but mac is a little cheaper and a little younger and could possibly be a decent fit in san jose. clowe would likely want to sign with a contender as a ufa but for a year he could probably really help the leafs.

imo straight up is reasonable but if not i think their value is close enough that it could be balanced with prospects/picks
I would do that deal from a Leafs perspective.

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Currently as a Leaf? Not much.... maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder if a team is ravaged with injuries.


Next season as a Flyer/Shark/Blackhawk/RedWing/etc? Probably a late 1st or 2nd plus a B+ prospect.


Thats how the HF turkeys think.
He's a 2nd/3rd line tweener who need top six minutes to produce his 50pts and doesn't have the quality your searching for a 3rd liner. So he is not the kind of player good team have on their roster. Thankfully you probably won't have to hear Flyer/Shark/Blackhawk/RedWing fans saying how great his value his because he is a bottom team player.

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