HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

So why don't top FA's come to Canada?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-10-2012, 07:22 PM
  #51
Borgir
Registered User
 
Borgir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ENGELland Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,012
vCash: 500
The crime in Canada is just way too high....

http://www.break.com/index/the-dange...canada-2343730


Borgir is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:45 PM
  #52
Drij
Registered User
 
Drij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,781
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuietCompany View Post
They'd rather take their chances with sunny weather, earthquakes, and hurricanes.
You forgot the high crime rates.

Drij is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:47 PM
  #53
SDBondra
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 764
vCash: 500
Freedom!

SDBondra is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:50 PM
  #54
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
 
Ziggy Stardust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 32,310
vCash: 500
Clearly they're concerned of a major beaver outbreak.

Ziggy Stardust is online now  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:54 PM
  #55
WeridAl
YuckaFlux
 
WeridAl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: 10ft of Snow
Posts: 1,749
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by leaflover View Post
Taxes for sure, yes they make plenty of loot but no matter how high your salary it hurts to have a big chunk go to the government. It doesn't make them greedy, just smart business. Also there aren't a whole pile of attractive Canadian options if you're looking to hoist a cup anytime soon.Those would be the main focus of the vast majority of players and when neither is available north of the 49th you stay south of it.
Actually their taxed more in California and NY and the cost of living is much higher. Most of the Canadian teams are not cup contenders, if they were it would be a different story.

WeridAl is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:55 PM
  #56
Bobby Lou
Moustache Power
 
Bobby Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Crease
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,379
vCash: 894
Just a question of numbers...there are way more American teams than Canadian. It's not like any team really regularly scores the big UFAs outside the Rangers anyways.

Bobby Lou is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:57 PM
  #57
Treefingers
\_(ツ)_/
 
Treefingers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,468
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigcaulks View Post
With David Booth in Canada, we may need to start arming bears.
Zing!

Treefingers is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 07:58 PM
  #58
Petes2424
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 4,859
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
Clearly they're concerned of a major beaver outbreak.
Definitely the Seal beating incidents are having an adverse effect.

Petes2424 is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:02 PM
  #59
Grant
LL Genius
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,045
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Lou View Post
Just a question of numbers...there are way more American teams than Canadian. It's not like any team really regularly scores the big UFAs outside the Rangers anyways.
I agree, only 23.3% of the teams are Canadian. I'm not certain but I would guess the Canadian teams get more than their fair share of the better UFAs.

Grant is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:10 PM
  #60
2525
Registered User
 
2525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,730
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayor Bee View Post

If the team doesn't win, blame the Americans or blame Bettman.

Who the **** has blamed Americans for the poor showing of Canadian teams?

2525 is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:10 PM
  #61
deckercky
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,777
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerRoeper View Post
That's still not a lot of money. I'm talking about the 90+ million contracts top free agents get.
Komisarek's contract was pretty rich at the time. How many UFA contracts have been in the $90M range? Or even the $50M+ range? Most of those contracts are teams retaining their existing players.

deckercky is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:13 PM
  #62
2525
Registered User
 
2525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,730
vCash: 500
I love how the first high profile player to play out his contract and sign with his hometown team is a first generation American. And now has gone so far to Americanize the pronunciation of his last name.

I always thought Crosby would do it. Oh well.

And now Rick Nash doesn't want to be traded to a Canadian team.

I admire Parise for doing it.....too bad Canadian players don't give a damn about their boyhood teams.

2525 is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:16 PM
  #63
Tintin's Ghost
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Saskatoon
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,129
vCash: 500
Taxes do have something to do with it. Tax rates for those who make more than $150,00 per year in Canada are quite year are quite high on their own. The look massive when compared to the very low rate these same high-income earners would make in many American jurisdictions. (Look at the US general election campaign, this issue is being argued right now between Obama and Romney)

The tax rates for middle-income earners is more favorable in most Canadian jurisdictions than what middle-income earners in the US receive. It's funny, the US military-industrial complex is a trillion dollar war machine and somehow they got the middle class and working poor to pay for it.

Consumption taxes in Canada are also very high on many basic goods and services. On the flip side, we have free health care.

Tintin's Ghost is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:17 PM
  #64
Hackett
HF Needs Feeny
 
Hackett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,929
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Lou View Post
Just a question of numbers...there are way more American teams than Canadian. It's not like any team really regularly scores the big UFAs outside the Rangers anyways.
Agree with the numbers game... add taxes into the equation as well.

Also, the NHL is unique to the other pro sports leagues because hockey players can choose if they want to play in a rock star environment like montreal, or in relative obscurity like raleigh, nc..... or somewhere in between.

In a league like the nfl, the spotlight is intense in every market, so it doesn't factor into the player's decision making too much in regards to choosing which team to play for, but in the nhl, you don't have to live in a rock star market if you dont want to... and I think there's a fair bit out there who would rather stay away from the spotlight if given the chance, which automatically rules out any canadian market.

Hackett is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:19 PM
  #65
LukeD
On Fire
 
LukeD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,770
vCash: 500
Discrimination. The NHL is anti-Canadian. Gary Bettman.

LukeD is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:25 PM
  #66
Virtanen2Horvat
Radim Vrbata #17
 
Virtanen2Horvat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,790
vCash: 647
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper45 View Post
Yeah because L.A., SJ and Carolina are just always signing the top free agents....

I haven't seen any big signings by the kings at all. Penner is all they really got lol.

Virtanen2Horvat is online now  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:40 PM
  #67
Leafs For Life*
Nothing
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,636
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
Clearly they're concerned of a major beaver outbreak.
And of living in igloos.

Leafs For Life* is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:55 PM
  #68
Shorthander
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 382
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Lou View Post
Just a question of numbers...there are way more American teams than Canadian. It's not like any team really regularly scores the big UFAs outside the Rangers anyways.
This is a good point.

And honestly, it's just a matter of too many Canadian teams being bad right now. The Canucks don't have trouble signing UFAs, Ottawa seemed to do well with signings after the lockout when they were a contender, Calgary manages to land some UFAs despite being in a sorry state right now, and I think UFAs would sign with the Leafs or Habs if they consistently made the playoffs (or in the case of the Leafs, made the playoffs at all).

Only Edmonton and Winnipeg are truly undesirable and that's likely because players wives don't want to be stuck in those cities by themselves all winter while their husbands are on the road.


Last edited by ColePens: 08-18-2012 at 02:02 AM.
Shorthander is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 08:57 PM
  #69
mapes
Registered User
 
mapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Halifax
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
They'd rather take their talents to South Beach

mapes is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 09:08 PM
  #70
DaDucks
Registered User
 
DaDucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Costa Mesa
Country: United States
Posts: 5,024
vCash: 500
The front offices seem to be better run in the united states

DaDucks is online now  
Old
07-10-2012, 09:14 PM
  #71
ronaldo123
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 327
vCash: 500
Canadian teams generally are smart enough to control their spending and resign key players without spending 90m. Also Im pretty sure the cost of living is higher in Canada than the US especially with taxes. As a Vancouver native, I can say it's an expensive place to be

ronaldo123 is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 09:29 PM
  #72
ronnyweed
Registered User
 
ronnyweed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,659
vCash: 500
Salary cap plas into it, pre lockout a team like the leafs could outbid most teams except NYR and Detroit. They used to basically buy playoff runs each summer and trade deadline.

Now with salaries capped off, the high taxes basically have the opposite effect.

ronnyweed is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 09:39 PM
  #73
donpaulo
Capt Barry Beck
 
donpaulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: nihon
Country: Japan
Posts: 1,612
vCash: 500
I think BC is probably one of the greatest places to live in the entire world, so climate isn't an issue there. Taxes perhaps but we aren't talking a drastic difference between the two countries.

Put yourself in a young hockey players position. You are young, most likely single, make big dollars. Where do you want to live ?

LA, Miami, San Jose ?

versus

Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario

If its a hockey decision than perhaps the US for competitive purposes as well.

Not saying its the right thing just that its understandable why Canada is not a priority for UFA right now. All good things come in time, eventually the Canadian franchises will lure top talent Northwards again.

donpaulo is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 09:54 PM
  #74
Meatwagon
Blues=Overrated
 
Meatwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Welcome Home, Paul
Country: United States
Posts: 1,398
vCash: 3041
They're racist!












Last edited by TMI: 07-10-2012 at 11:46 PM. Reason: spam
Meatwagon is offline  
Old
07-10-2012, 10:12 PM
  #75
xX Hot Fuss
Registered User
 
xX Hot Fuss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 11,132
vCash: 500
Winnipeg is a boring ice box

Calgary and Ottawa lack the extensive night life that's attractive to a 23/26 year old

Too much pressure to win on a crappy team in Toronto.

Lots of NHLers don't want to have to learn French so Montreal is out

Vancouver is out of the picture with cap constraints and nobody wants to play for a bunch of whining, cheating, divers.

Edmonton has picked 1st 3 years in a row. They have no D or goalie and unless youre a bottom 6 player you wont be getting any ice time. Edmonton is 4 years from even being cup contenders. Why sign there now?

-pissed off 7 fanbases...check

xX Hot Fuss is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:23 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.