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07-10-2012, 08:43 PM
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Couldn't disagree more, he's not without faults, but Beaulieu is the type of dman who becomes a regular by 22-23 yrs old, he's a gem, his talent level is well ahead of most of peers, his defensive deficiencies are overstated and usually echoed by those who seen him play in the memorial cup and nothing else. Three - 4games and people are experts ard here
So when he's average on the big stage in the Memorial Cup and sucks on the big stage in the WJC, what are people supposed to think?

You said he will become a regular at 22-23 years old. That's 2-3 years in the AHL. This is pretty much the sentiment I expressed earlier, that he has a lot of work to do.

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Galchenyuk: 60-80 pts 1st liner
Beaulieu: Not a fan of the kid. Ron Hainsay I guess.
Tinordi: more complete Hal Gill, though not as good defensively
Gallagher: Gionta hopefully
Leblanc: 25-40 pts two way 3rd liner
Collberg: too early
Kristo: hopefully a 50-60 pts 2nd liner.

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Hey everyone.

I have been trying to piece together and determine, what are realistic career projections for some of our prospects? And what is a good NHL comparable?

Let's see, I'll start:

Alex Galchenyuk - No.1 two-way centre, 70 + points, Jonathan Toews

Nathan Beaulieu - Top Pair Offensive D-man, 45-65 points, Mike Green/Dan Boyle?

Sebastian Collberg - Top Line Sniper, 65 + points, Bobby Ryan?

Jarred Tinordi - Top 4 Defensive D-man, 20-30 points, Tyler Myers?

I'll let you guys do the rest and/or build on mine.

Cool! Nice to know that we're realistically going to have one of the best team of all times in a few years

You forgot to talk about PK ''Robinson'' Subban, David ''H. Richard'' Desharnais, Louis ''Lafleur'' Leblanc, Danny ''Shutt'' Kristo and ''Maurice'' Nokelainen tho.

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07-10-2012, 08:59 PM
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Galchenyuk: Toews --> 70ish Point guy --> 2 Way Intense player (Our Constant NHL ASG Representative)
Collberg: Henrik Zetterberg(Less Pts & Not as defensively good as Zet) --> 50ish Pts 25-30Goals --> Top Line Sniper alongside Gally
Nathan Beaulieu: Brian Campbell --> Powerplay QB -> #3-#4 DMan (Yet something says he might not get there, I don't know, something scares me about Nathan)
Jarred Tinordi: Bryan Allen --> Shutdown DMan --> #3-#4 Possibly top paring, depending on his partner

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07-10-2012, 09:00 PM
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Galchenyuk: 60-80 pts 1st liner
Beaulieu: Not a fan of the kid. Ron Hainsay I guess.
Tinordi: more complete Hal Gill, though not as good defensively
Gallagher: Gionta hopefully
Leblanc: 25-40 pts two way 3rd liner
Collberg: too early
Kristo: hopefully a 50-60 pts 2nd liner.
Brother, it's too early for all of them! Don't you dare bring common sense into this thread

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07-10-2012, 09:29 PM
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Galchenyuk - a hungrier Rick Nash

Collberg - a shyer Teemu Selanne

Beaulieu - a poor mans Brian Campbell

Tinordi - Exactly the same as Ryan Suter

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Cool! Nice to know that we're realistically going to have one of the best team of all times in a few years

You forgot to talk about PK ''Robinson'' Subban, David ''H. Richard'' Desharnais, Louis ''Lafleur'' Leblanc, Danny ''Shutt'' Kristo and ''Maurice'' Nokelainen tho.
Ha. Ha. Ha. You so funny dude.

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07-10-2012, 11:06 PM
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Alex Galchenyuk : Olli Jokinen
Nathan Beaulieu : Adrian Aucoin
Jarred Tinordi : Andy Sutton
Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen
Sebastien Collberg : Mikael Samuelsson
Brendan Gallagher : Steve Sullivan
Morgan Ellis : Andy Delmore
Danny Kristo : Jon Sim
Dalton Thrower : Kyle McLaren
Michael Bournival : Jason Chimera
Tim Bozon : Brian Savage
Aaron Palushaj : Jason Ward

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07-11-2012, 12:45 AM
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Alex Galchenyuk : Olli Jokinen
Nathan Beaulieu : Adrian Aucoin
Jarred Tinordi : Andy Sutton
Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen
Sebastien Collberg : Mikael Samuelsson
Brendan Gallagher : Steve Sullivan
Morgan Ellis : Andy Delmore
Danny Kristo : Jon Sim
Dalton Thrower : Kyle McLaren
Michael Bournival : Jason Chimera
Tim Bozon : Brian Savage
Aaron Palushaj : Jason Ward
How does your body function with a heart so black?? I know you're joking, but just the thought of typing out such a long list of epically mediocre hockey players makes me want to open a vein!

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Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen
I would be okay with this :kanyeshrug:

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How does your body function with a heart so black?? I know you're joking, but just the thought of typing out such a long list of epically mediocre hockey players makes me want to open a vein!
Mediocre? What are you talking about? Jokinen has been a 1st line center for 10 years. Aucoin has been a top 4 defenseman for 15 years. Sutton, a very regular defensive defenseman. Lehtinen a 3 time Selke trophee winner. Samuelsson, a dangerous goal scorer on any 2nd line. Sullivan, a small, energetic offensive forward with an awesome career. McLaren a very feared and effective defenseman. Chimera, the perfect 3rd line winger on any team. Etc.

The OP asked for realistic projections. I think mine are very realistic and Timmins could be proud of his work if these players turn out this way. Prepare yourself to be deceived if you think all of them will be all-stars!

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The only one of the hab's prospects I can comment on is Galchenyuk. All I have to say is whatever you think Yakapov will do, Galchenyuk will equal it or in all likelyhood out play him over their NHL careers. I've watched the both of them play the past two years and Galchenyuk is the better all around player. If Gally wouldn't have been hurt the entire season he would have been the number one pick. You could really see the differnece in the playoffs. By the way they played you would have thought that Yakapov was the guy who had missed the entire regular season. Yakapov flat out vanished during the time when he should have shined, while Galchenyuk kept his team in the series against Saginaw.

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The only one of the hab's prospects I can comment on is Galchenyuk. All I have to say is whatever you think Yakapov will do, Galchenyuk will equal it or in all likelyhood out play him over their NHL careers. I've watched the both of them play the past two years and Galchenyuk is the better all around player. If Gally wouldn't have been hurt the entire season he would have been the number one pick. You could really see the differnece in the playoffs. By the way they played you would have thought that Yakapov was the guy who had missed the entire regular season. Yakapov flat out vanished during the time when he should have shined, while Galchenyuk kept his team in the series against Saginaw.
Well I don't want to read too much into two players coming off injuries. There are
way too many factors involved. But we can hope you are right. I remember when
some scouts said that Kirk Muller(sp) was the better pick, because he was a better
all round player. Still he was picked second behind the guy with the greater offensive
upside. And Muller was great for us while winning the 93 cup. And then we got to trade him for Pierre Turgeon.

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07-11-2012, 12:19 PM
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Here are my hopes:

Gallchenyuk = Marian Hossa
Beaulieu = ME Vlacic
Gallagher = Daniel Briere
Leblanc = Dubinski
Tinnordi = Darian Hatcher
Collberg = Havlat

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Alex Galchenyuk : Olli Jokinen
Nathan Beaulieu : Adrian Aucoin
Jarred Tinordi : Andy Sutton
Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen
Sebastien Collberg : Mikael Samuelsson
Brendan Gallagher : Steve Sullivan
Morgan Ellis : Andy Delmore
Danny Kristo : Jon Sim
Dalton Thrower : Kyle McLaren
Michael Bournival : Jason Chimera
Tim Bozon : Brian Savage
Aaron Palushaj : Jason Ward
Definitely the most realistic list so far.

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07-11-2012, 01:20 PM
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[QUOTE=jwolf;52413303]How does your body function with a heart so black?? I know you're joking, but just the thought of typing out such a long list of epically mediocre hockey players makes me want to open a vein![/QUOTE
If our prospects turn out this well, Timmins should be promoted to God.
Or maybe he already is.
Adrian Aucoin was a no.1 D-man who got Norris Trophy consideration at
least one season. I'd be happy if Beaulieu did the same.
Kyle Maclaren was a first pairing D-man. That's setting the bar very high
for Dalton Thrower.
Jere Lehtinen had 2x 30 goals, 7x 20 goals, and won three Selke Trophies.
There are probably lesser players in the Hall of Fame, but defensive forwards
are often underrated. If Lablanc can only live up to one of Lehtinen's other achievments, scoring 10 play-off goals while his team wins the cup, I'd be
celebrating.
I don't know how many points Sullivan has scored in the NHL. If Gallagher
get much more, he will have a realistc shot at the Hall of Fame!
Bournival is likely to play similar role as Chimera if he makes it to the NHL.
But Chimera is one of the best in that role, so that's setting the bar pretty high.
If Galchenyuk can produce in the NHL like Jokinen i his better years, that
would make him an excellent pick. But certainly I'm hoping for more consistentcy,
and maybe also leadership. So this is a case where the this list wasn't wildly
optimistic. Still he could produce less than Jokinen and still be a good player.
Tinordi as Andy Sutton isn't ideal, but it could go much worse.

If you read this entire post, I'm sorry for wasting your time.

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Alex Galchenyuk - Hall Of Fame No.1 two-way centre, 90 + points, A Bigger Saku Koivu

Nathan Beaulieu - Top Pair Offensive D-man, 45-75 points, Patrice Brisebois

Sebastian Collberg - Hall Of Fame Top Line Sniper, 65 + goals, Guy Lafleur

Jarred Tinordi - Hall Of Fame Top 4 Defensive D-man, 45 points, Larry Robinson

Brendan Gallagher - Hall of Fame Top Line Winger, 150 points, Brendan Gallagher

Morgan Ellis - Top 4 Defensive D-man, 20-30 points, Morgan Reilly

Danny Kristo - 2nd line RW, 50 points, Rich Peverley
Love the subtle burn on the leafs.

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Very very difficult to predict but...

Galenchyuk - there's a reason he was picked #3 overall. His ceiling may not be that high but he should eventually develop into a 75-80 point complete player.

Beaulieu - he was rated top 10 in his draft year. He's got tremendous offensive upside but will not be an NHLer until he improves his defense and decisions. That being said, he should develop into a PP QB with 50-60 point production.

Leblanc - he's determined and commited. His skill level is not elite but he should round out to be a top 9 two way dependable forward. A "light" Patrice Bergeron type player. 40-50 points at the most.

Collberg - I've never seen him play. I would be extremely satisfied with 25-30 goals eventually.

Gallaguer - I hope he emulates Brad Marchand. He's probably not a ***** like Marchant, but he needs an edge to go will his out all style and skill. If he can withstand the NHL grind, 20-25 goals eventually is more than possible.

Tinordi is better than O'Byrne was at the same age and OB has become a top 4 D. Tinordi skates better, is meaner and hits more. He should be a top 4 within 5 years.

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Alex Galchenyuk : Toews
Nathan Beaulieu : Sami Salo
Jarred Tinordi : Tyler Myers
Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen (I like this one)
Sebastien Collberg : Rich Peverly
Brendan Gallagher : anywhere from corey Locke to Maty St-Louis
Morgan Ellis : Craig Rivet (he is his clone)
Danny Kristo : bust
Michael Bournival : Steve Begin
Aaron Palushaj : bust
Charles Hudon: poor man's mike ribeiro
Gabriel Dumont: Mathieu Darche
Olivier archambeault: bust

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Galchenyuk: 60-80 pts 1st liner
Beaulieu: Not a fan of the kid. Ron Hainsay I guess.
Tinordi: more complete Hal Gill, though not as good defensively
Gallagher: Gionta hopefully
Leblanc: 25-40 pts two way 3rd liner
Collberg: too early
Kristo: hopefully a 50-60 pts 2nd liner.
LOL Ron Hainsey?

Beaulieu is better right now than Hainsey in his prime.

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07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
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I have to laugh at some of the comparables for Beaulieu and LeBlanc.

Aucoin or Salo for Beaulieu? So you compare a guy with great skating ability, maybe the best skater his draft year and use comprables that are a bit slow footed...brilliant!

LeBlanc...yeah I know he is responsible defensively, but so are Plekanec, Pavel Datsyuk and Mikko Koivu. This doesn't diminish the fact that LeBlanc is gritty, has good hockey sense and above average hands. Once his body catches up to his brain assuming NORMAL decelopment he should be a top 6 forward and regular 50-70 point(depending on his role/linemates) producer.

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I have to laugh at some of the comparables for Beaulieu and LeBlanc.

Aucoin or Salo for Beaulieu? So you compare a guy with great skating ability, maybe the best skater his draft year and use comprables that are a bit slow footed...brilliant!

LeBlanc...yeah I know he is responsible defensively, but so are Plekanec, Pavel Datsyuk and Mikko Koivu. This doesn't diminish the fact that LeBlanc is gritty, has good hockey sense and above average hands. Once his body catches up to his brain assuming NORMAL decelopment he should be a top 6 forward and regular 50-70 point(depending on his role/linemates) producer.
fine, beaulieu will be duncan keith and Leblanc Mikko Koivu if you wish.

I've seen beaulieu play 4 times on an olympic size rink and the best skater in his draft didn't show off at all.

I've seen Ellis play about 10 times on that same ice and he was much much better. So I'm much more confident in Ellis then Beaulieu.

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fine, beaulieu will be duncan keith and Leblanc Mikko Koivu if you wish.

I've seen beaulieu play 4 times on an olympic size rink and the best skater in his draft didn't show off at all.

I've seen Ellis play about 10 times on that same ice and he was much much better. So I'm much more confident in Ellis then Beaulieu.
Keith and Koivu would be the high end, somebody like A.Greene and J.Willimas lower end.

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Would Alex Galchenyuk: Mikko Koivu make sense? (I don't see junior or AHL hockey so I'm really curious.)

Also, about "Louis Leblanc : Jere Lehtinen", I have heard the attitude and developing discipline being similar. They're also about the same height, but I don't know if they really have similar build. Lehtinen was solid, almost stout, and in his prime freakishly strong. Leblanc is still young, but to me he looks to project a significantly lighter player. Lehtinen excelled in puck battles, will Leblanc be able to do that? (Again really asking, as I've only seen Leblanc when he played with the Habs.)

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fine, beaulieu will be duncan keith and Leblanc Mikko Koivu if you wish.

I've seen beaulieu play 4 times on an olympic size rink and the best skater in his draft didn't show off at all.

I've seen Ellis play about 10 times on that same ice and he was much much better. So I'm much more confident in Ellis then Beaulieu.
Are you saying that Ellis is a better skater then Beaulieu?

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