1. Hawks management must be pissed that we took Bergevin.
2. Hawks management must be pissed to see how good a job Bergevin is doing with the habs.
Are you being sarcastic? They haven't seen it yet on the ice and neither have we (although we have high hopes and an improved morale). Is it because of the recent draft? Would it have been any different if Gauthier had remained? After all, Timmins is the constant in the equation.Is it the signing of Prust, Armstrong, and Bouillon? The Habs have a long way to go in strengthening their forward positions. Is it Bergevin's hiring? Are the Hawks envious of The Habs because they have Therrien? He's not exactly Scotty Boman. Ifthe Hawks think Bergevin is saving the Habs from a mess created by Gauthier, then why did they hire a man implicated in the mess?
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To a degree here. I don't think Bowman comments on every single move. I'd be shocked if he were contacted for this in a more than regular staff capacity.
I'm sure Stan calls up pop at home on the recliner and talks hockey, but that's different from Scotty being the de facto GM/puppetmaster.
If you're an adult man whose father is the most respected living hockey mind, you'd be a fool not to use him. But you're not a minion either.
It's interesting how the narrative on this forum is changing with regard to Gauthier.
When Gauthier was in Montreal, he was accused of having few contacts around the league; he became infamous around these parts and in the media for being non-social, and a poor communicator. (Nevermind the fact that Gauthier seemed to embody everything awful about a manager)
And yet, here he is, being hired by a club that appreciates fresh ideas, differing perspectives, and has a lot of good old boys to it as well. Now people here attribute this hiring to the fact that Gauthier has plenty of friends (this from the man who previously didn't trade with many clubs, and didn't have friends in the league!).
It is evident from this hiring that the narrative spewed all over this forum and in the media was patently false. It seems to be easy to make negative associations and assumptions about Gauthier ("the anorexic vegan") because the media and most fans have chosen to demonise him.
It's interesting how the narrative on this forum is changing with regard to Gauthier.
When Gauthier was in Montreal, he was accused of having few contacts around the league; he became infamous around these parts and in the media for being non-social, and a poor communicator. (Nevermind the fact that Gauthier seemed to embody everything awful about a manager)
And yet, here he is, being hired by a club that appreciates fresh ideas, differing perspectives, and has a lot of good old boys to it as well. Now people here attribute this hiring to the fact that Gauthier has plenty of friends (this from the man who previously didn't trade with many clubs, and didn't have friends in the league!).
It is evident from this hiring that the narrative spewed all over this forum and in the media was patently false. It seems to be easy to make negative associations and assumptions about Gauthier ("the anorexic vegan") because the media and most fans have chosen to demonise him.
what you say is nice and all except for the part where you're wrong
many gms have come out and said they were never contacted to for trades on cammy or halak. Gauthier just dealt with who he was comfortable with
Players have come out and said that he was no approachable and put ridiculous strict rules on the team that made it really not fun to be here.
He was the only one allowed to speak to media and ran the show almost like a dictator. Why has Bergevin given more interviews in his first 2 months than gauthier did throughout his whole tenure?
Just because somone hired him does not mean it was a smart move...
Gauthier was and is everything this site and media ever said about him and thats why he's no longer the gm of this team
And yet despite all the talk about his lack of interpersonal skills, he got a job as director of player personnel.
Yup, but obviously the fans of this forum and the consummate professionals in the Montreal media have it right--consistently being hired for top managerial jobs speaks more to the ineptitude around the league.
It's interesting how the narrative on this forum is changing with regard to Gauthier.
When Gauthier was in Montreal, he was accused of having few contacts around the league; he became infamous around these parts and in the media for being non-social, and a poor communicator. (Nevermind the fact that Gauthier seemed to embody everything awful about a manager)
And yet, here he is, being hired by a club that appreciates fresh ideas, differing perspectives, and has a lot of good old boys to it as well. Now people here attribute this hiring to the fact that Gauthier has plenty of friends (this from the man who previously didn't trade with many clubs, and didn't have friends in the league!).
It is evident from this hiring that the narrative spewed all over this forum and in the media was patently false. It seems to be easy to make negative associations and assumptions about Gauthier ("the anorexic vegan") because the media and most fans have chosen to demonise him.
creating an equally exaggerated narrative does no service to anyone.
does anyone really know why he was hired by the Blackhawks? What they valued in his addition?
Could it not be possibly for the precise reason of getting someone from the organization that is now being run by a guy with strong ties to the Hawks? From a strategic point of view, that would make perfect sense...
also, consider this...
Hawks hired PG (a 3-time NHL GM) to the player personnel role recently vacated by Maciver, who was promoted to the vacant assistant-gm role...
if Gauthier's expertise was so highly valued, why hire him to a lesser role, while promoting a less experienced guy to a more significant role?
but no, let's stick to the narrative that b/c he got another job it must mean that the criticisms he faced in guiding the Habs to a 15th place finish were all just excessive attempts at demonizing him because of his dietary choices
I'm sure Stan calls up pop at home on the recliner and talks hockey, but that's different from Scotty being the de facto GM/puppetmaster.
If you're an adult man whose father is the most respected living hockey mind, you'd be a fool not to use him. But you're not a minion either.
He wish he was half as smart as his dad. He's an idiot. Not that having him around is a bad idea in this capacity but it's not exactly helping his "image."
but no, let's stick to the narrative that b/c he got another job it must mean that the criticisms he faced in guiding the Habs to a 15th place finish were all just excessive attempts at demonizing him because of his dietary choices
When did Mike8 say that the demonizing of Gauthier was influenced by his dietary choices?
what you say is nice and all except for the part where you're wrong
many gms have come out and said they were never contacted to for trades on cammy or halak. Gauthier just dealt with who he was comfortable with
Players have come out and said that he was no approachable and put ridiculous strict rules on the team that made it really not fun to be here.
He was the only one allowed to speak to media and ran the show almost like a dictator. Why has Bergevin given more interviews in his first 2 months than gauthier did throughout his whole tenure?
Just because somone hired him does not mean it was a smart move...
Gauthier was and is everything this site and media ever said about him and thats why he's no longer the gm of this team
This. This. This.
Gauthier wasn't bad at managing contracts and evaluating talent (to an extent). The closed door and Nazi attitude he was running created one of the most dry habs seasons i have see in years.
It seems to be easy to make negative associations and assumptions about Gauthier ("the anorexic vegan") because the media and most fans have chosen to demonise him.
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When did Mike8 say that the demonizing of Gauthier was influenced by his dietary choices?
I still don't see where he says they demonized him because he was vegan. He gave an example of how they belittle him, but he didn';t that is why they do so.
Gauthier wasn't bad at managing contracts and evaluating talent (to an extent). The closed door and Nazi attitude he was running created one of the most dry habs seasons i have see in years.
This and also, when he's not the boss, he can't dictate what he wants, he has to follow the leadership set by the organization.
creating an equally exaggerated narrative does no service to anyone.
does anyone really know why he was hired by the Blackhawks? What they valued in his addition?
Could it not be possibly for the precise reason of getting someone from the organization that is now being run by a guy with strong ties to the Hawks? From a strategic point of view, that would make perfect sense...
also, consider this...
Hawks hired PG (a 3-time NHL GM) to the player personnel role recently vacated by Maciver, who was promoted to the vacant assistant-gm role...
if Gauthier's expertise was so highly valued, why hire him to a lesser role, while promoting a less experienced guy to a more significant role?
but no, let's stick to the narrative that b/c he got another job it must mean that the criticisms he faced in guiding the Habs to a 15th place finish were all just excessive attempts at demonizing him because of his dietary choices
Fact remains, you don't hire someone as a director if you think they're incompetent.
creating an equally exaggerated narrative does no service to anyone.
does anyone really know why he was hired by the Blackhawks? What they valued in his addition?
Could it not be possibly for the precise reason of getting someone from the organization that is now being run by a guy with strong ties to the Hawks? From a strategic point of view, that would make perfect sense...
also, consider this...
Hawks hired PG (a 3-time NHL GM) to the player personnel role recently vacated by Maciver, who was promoted to the vacant assistant-gm role...
if Gauthier's expertise was so highly valued, why hire him to a lesser role, while promoting a less experienced guy to a more significant role?
but no, let's stick to the narrative that b/c he got another job it must mean that the criticisms he faced in guiding the Habs to a 15th place finish were all just excessive attempts at demonizing him because of his dietary choices
Er, what narrative did I create?!
And I stated specifically that he was not a good GM in Montreal.
Essentially, nothing you wrote was at all relevant to what I stated.
seriously dude?so you are saying every move he made was bad?price over halak? signing cole?easy to hide behind your computer and spew garbage on the net eh?i bet gauthier has more hockey sense in his little weiner than you do in your brain. actually i know he does cause he just got hired again by an NHL team!i'm sure you can beat that.
The cole signing was so great it helped get us to 3rd worst and completely neglected the fact that the big black hole was actually on defense, not on offence, cole addressed a need and performed above expectation, I'll be surprised if he ever hits 30 again during his contract here.
I know cole wasn't to blame for our 15th place finish, he was one of the bright spots, but if that cash had of been reallocated to minutes eating dman instead, there is no chance we finish 3rd last.
I still don't see where he says they demonized him because he was vegan. He gave an example of how they belittle him, but he didn';t that is why they do so.
This is really peculiar, Miller Time. Andy's spot on.
never said gauthier didnt make mistakes ,and i never said i liked him .he made lots of mistakes obviously..what i dont get is the pure hate for this guy,thats why i'm sticking up for him.but it dont matter cause he gets the last laugh.pierre gauthier got hired by the bowman's.who can argue with them??certainly not anonymous clowns on hf boards.
Stan bowman is pretty terrible as GM and Scotty wasn't much better.
