HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

Free Agent Frenzy (Part IX): Generic Thread Title Edition

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-11-2012, 05:02 PM
  #851
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,130
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
I'm definitely in on this on a short term deal (2-3 years).
If reasonable $$, this is great.
No matter what else is going on, probably.

If unreasonable length demanded, counter w/excessive $$, but stick to only 1 yr.
Semin has chance to prove w/terrific Ranger club he is worth even more, top, top $$$, and we don't take excessive risk w/just 1 yr. If anything goes wrong, or he then becomes too expensive, we can walk.

bernmeister is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:07 PM
  #852
Shark Staal
Woah
 
Shark Staal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vermont
Country: Germany
Posts: 16,609
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
The international game is much, much, much different than the NHL game. I don't care if he scored 50 goals in 10 international games, it has no merit to NHL success.

Nash hasn't had talent around him, but neither did Marian Gaborik. He put up the points. Ales Hemsky/Martin Havlat put up similar/superior PPG's despite playing with absolute garbage their whole career. (Exception to Havlat who played with Kane in his last season with the Hawks)

He is a prime time goal scorer, that's it. It's pure speculation that he'll magically find some hidden potential inside of him at age 28 by playing in a grinding, defense-first system. I can spin it around to support my argument and claim that his numbers will flop now since he'll have a hard ass coach that'll force him to backcheck and play 2-way hockey instead of being told to be the only guy who can score with Columbus.
You do realize Havlat played with Spezza, Alfredsson, Hossa, and Chara for the majority of his career right? And Gaborik at least had guys like Koivu, and PM Bouchard.



Quote:
They both won a Richard, except Cheechoo's done it more recently. All I'm saying is that it's not really relevant anymore since he's a much different player. He won a Richard, so did Cheechoo.
It still is relevant when a player is scoring 30+ on the worst franchise in the league. You're comparing him to someone that isn't in the league anymore. Thats stupid.


Quote:
I used Nik Kronwall as a prime example that international success doesn't correlate into NHL dominance. It's irrelevant to NHL hockey. If Nash is a 'stud' on small tournament sample sizes, you might as well include Kronwall, Heatley, Doan, and others.
Kronwall who is Detroit's #1 defenseman, Heatley, Minnesota's top scorer, and a 50/50/100 guy, and Doan NHL's top FA, and the best captain in the NHL... I don't really understand your point.

Quote:
And IMO to be known as one of the best international players, you have to put up numbers in the Olympics. He was gifted a spot by Babcock with Crosby and did nothing and was later moved to the 4th line in a shutdown role. Proving why he is a 2nd tier player and not elite.
And no you don't. If I said a great Olympic player, I'd be wrong. But internationally, Nash is very successful. My argument isn't that he is an elite player, rather an elite scorer. And he was moved down and still managed 5 in 7. Not horrible numbers. Canada also wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire when Nash was on Crosby's line, so not exactly the best argument out there. You clearly are showing me that you've never really watched Nash play.

Shark Staal is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:16 PM
  #853
DarthSather99
Registered User
 
DarthSather99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 3,245
vCash: 500
any room for Peter Mueller?

DarthSather99 is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:23 PM
  #854
Drewbackatu*
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,048
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
And if dubi rebounds to 50 pts and stepan improves to 60? That's 110 pts for maybe 70
I don't see Dubi hitting 50+ points again but Stepan on the other hand could definitely improve to 60 if he's put in the right situation with the right guys. Gaborik missing time will not help Stepan in that regard though.


Last edited by Drewbackatu*: 07-11-2012 at 05:39 PM.
Drewbackatu* is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:29 PM
  #855
BrianBoyle
↓ Perfection ↓
 
BrianBoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: On the grass
Country: United States
Posts: 51,534
vCash: 300
Looks like our roster going into the season at this point will be:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-XXXXX
Dubinsky-Boyle-Anisimov
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham
Rupp

Who takes the RW spot?

__________________

Neutral Milk Hotel are literally GOAT
Amy Poehler <3

Credit to Ail for the sig.
BrianBoyle is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:30 PM
  #856
-31-
portnor, pls
 
-31-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,754
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle62 View Post
Looks like our roster going into the season at this point will be:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-XXXXX
Dubinsky-Boyle-Anisimov
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham
Rupp

Who takes the RW spot?
First person that says Christian Thomas: I will hunt you down.

-31- is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:35 PM
  #857
RangerBlues
Registered User
 
RangerBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: BRONX NYC
Posts: 1,410
vCash: 500
WowWow signs for 600K!

RangerBlues is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:35 PM
  #858
Shark Staal
Woah
 
Shark Staal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vermont
Country: Germany
Posts: 16,609
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle62 View Post
Looks like our roster going into the season at this point will be:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-XXXXX
Dubinsky-Boyle-Anisimov
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham
Rupp

Who takes the RW spot?
Christian Thomas.







Shark Staal is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:37 PM
  #859
mooskating
flex
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,444
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
first person that says christian thomas: I will hunt you down.
it could happen!

mooskating is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:39 PM
  #860
Riverdale
Registered User
 
Riverdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 5,085
vCash: 500
Boyle?

Riverdale is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:39 PM
  #861
nyr5186
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: New Orleans
Country: Madagascar
Posts: 2,676
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
First person that says Christian Thomas: I will hunt you down.
I'm thinking of this Gaborik injury as a good opportunity for a young kid to get some ice time. I'm sure there'll be at least a handful of rookies/young guys pushing for spots in training camp. Whether that's Christian Thomas or Casey Wellman or JT Miller or somebody completely out of the blue, someone will get a cup of tea at least until Gaborik gets back. Torts will tinker with the lineup anyway.

I'm not worried. As it stands right now we have enough depth to be able to move guys around. If that means a kid gets top line action or Anisimov or Dubinsky get moved between center and wing, the players that look like they can produce will get their opportunities.

nyr5186 is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:42 PM
  #862
Zil
Registered User
 
Zil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 2,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooskating View Post
i'd believe cerny over eklund any day... i'd have to see context to believe he said there's no interest in semin though. all i saw of the cerny chat is that we're looking at all our options right now.
He was pretty straightforward about it.

Quote:
Jim Cerny:
wanderer: I think free agency has been frustrating for Rangers fans who want the big splash...but Parise had no interest in coming here, neither did Suter, and team not interested in Semin.

http://blueshirtsunited.com/photos/1...11-chat-replay

Zil is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:43 PM
  #863
mooskating
flex
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,444
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil View Post
He was pretty straightforward about it.
that is pretty straightforward then. i'd take his word for it.

going to be interesting who is under the radar of guys that don't look like they're being shopped.

mooskating is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:44 PM
  #864
-31-
portnor, pls
 
-31-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,754
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle62 View Post
Looks like our roster going into the season at this point will be:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-XXXXX
Dubinsky-Boyle-Anisimov
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham
Rupp

Who takes the RW spot?
To actually answer your question, I think it would go something like:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Dubinsky-Stepan-Kreider
Pyatt-Boyle-Anisimov
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

-31- is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:46 PM
  #865
Lexus Dog
Registered User
 
Lexus Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 165
vCash: 500
Alright I'm finally home, finally at a computer, so let's finally put a rest to this "Nash will have a rebirth, be reborn, be motivated, be born again, explode for 50 goals, 100 points, etc, etc, blah blah blah" fable.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

In layman's terms these are players that got 180+ goals and 360+ points (30-60 average over 6 seasons) between ages 28-33.

So ask yourself this: is Nash this type of player? Haha, Gretzky, Esposito, Dionne, the brothers Hull...Hehehe.

Just say NO to Nash.

Lexus Dog is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:49 PM
  #866
-31-
portnor, pls
 
-31-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,754
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexus Dog View Post
Alright I'm finally home, finally at a computer, so let's finally put a rest to this "Nash will have a rebirth, be reborn, be motivated, be born again, explode for 50 goals, 100 points, etc, etc, blah blah blah" fable.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

In layman's terms these are players that got 180+ goals and 360+ points (30-60 average over 6 seasons) between ages 28-33.

So ask yourself this: is Nash this type of player? Haha, Gretzky, Esposito, Dionne, the brothers Hull...Hehehe.

Just say NO to Nash.
Yeah, that's the top of the list....

-31- is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:49 PM
  #867
Glen Teflon Sather
With an iron fist
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Bloomfield, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 4,487
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Glen Teflon Sather
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexus Dog View Post
Alright I'm finally home, finally at a computer, so let's finally put a rest to this "Nash will have a rebirth, be reborn, be motivated, be born again, explode for 50 goals, 100 points, etc, etc, blah blah blah" fable.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

In layman's terms these are players that got 180+ goals and 360+ points (30-60 average over 6 seasons) between ages 28-33.

So ask yourself this: is Nash this type of player? Haha, Gretzky, Esposito, Dionne, the brothers Hull...Hehehe.

Just say NO to Nash.
So let's struggle every game and be burnt out by the playoffs

Glen Teflon Sather is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:51 PM
  #868
Lexus Dog
Registered User
 
Lexus Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 165
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4th Line Grinder View Post
So let's struggle every game and be burnt out by the playoffs
Funny you should say that, because it appears as if you want to obliterate our depth even more (Dubi, Anisimov, whoever else) by trading for a 59 point player. Talk about being burnt out and pressure on our top 6, eh mate?

Lexus Dog is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:54 PM
  #869
Glen Teflon Sather
With an iron fist
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Bloomfield, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 4,487
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Glen Teflon Sather
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexus Dog View Post
Funny you should say that, because it appears as if you want to obliterate our depth even more (Dubi, Anisimov, whoever else) by trading for a 59 point player. Talk about being burnt out and pressure on our top 6, eh mate?
For the millionth time, if Nash is a Ranger it's on SATHER'S TERMS, meaning it won't gut the team

Glen Teflon Sather is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:55 PM
  #870
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
 
UAGoalieGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Long Island,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 8,367
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
To actually answer your question, I think it would go something like:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Dubinsky-Stepan-Kreider
Pyatt-Boyle-Anisimov
Rupp-Halpern-Asham
Ugh that bottom six is terrible. Rupp and Asham should not be in the lineup together on a regular basis. If no trade can be made id rather sign Mueller and run:

Kreider-Richards-Callahan
Hagelin-Stepan-Mueller
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Pyatt
Boyle-Halpern-Asham

When Gaborik comes back, push everyone down a spot on the RW with Asham coming out of the lineup.

UAGoalieGuy is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:57 PM
  #871
Lexus Dog
Registered User
 
Lexus Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 165
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
Yeah, that's the top of the list....
I think it's more striking that there aren't more players on the list. Only 33 players, really? I was shocked when I seen this. There's a lot of Hall of Fame forwards not on this list.

However, also look closely at the years. Recently only a handful of players like Iginla, Jagr, and Hossa have accomplished the feat post-lockout. Just before in 2003-2004 it was Selanne, Modano, Sakic, Guerin, Amonte.

Lexus Dog is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 05:58 PM
  #872
Lexus Dog
Registered User
 
Lexus Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 165
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4th Line Grinder View Post
For the millionth time, if Nash is a Ranger it's on SATHER'S TERMS, meaning it won't gut the team
Agreed. I trust Sather with trades. But Nash? Go get somebody else. I wouldn't be opposed to Bobby Ryan (no Stepan though).

Again, Nash is a bad idea all around.

Lexus Dog is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 06:03 PM
  #873
-31-
portnor, pls
 
-31-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,754
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexus Dog View Post
I think it's more striking that there aren't more players on the list. Only 33 players, really? I was shocked when I seen this. There's a lot of Hall of Fame forwards not on this list.

However, also look closely at the years. Recently only a handful of players like Iginla, Jagr, and Hossa have accomplished the feat post-lockout. Just before in 2003-2004 it was Selanne, Modano, Sakic, Guerin, Amonte.
Those who have done it from ages 22-27 isn't an extensive list either, but Nash is on there

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals

-31- is online now  
Old
07-11-2012, 06:03 PM
  #874
mattyd99
Registered User
 
mattyd99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Warwick, NY
Posts: 545
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle62 View Post
Looks like our roster going into the season at this point will be:

Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Kreider-Stepan-XXXXX
Dubinsky-Boyle-Anisimov
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham
Rupp

Who takes the RW spot?
I'm hoping it's Doan. Age aside, he plays Torts hockey and he's still productive. Give me Mueller for depth and I'd be pleased. We'll see though, good chances are it's Nash.

mattyd99 is offline  
Old
07-11-2012, 06:04 PM
  #875
DutchShamrock
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 4,811
vCash: 500
Hmm, Nash isn't on par with Gretzky, Esposito and those incestuous Hulls. Good thing about that standard is it narrows down the FA pool to no one. Saves you a ton of time and money. And we all know that it's cap space that gets you a cup.

DutchShamrock is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:06 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.