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07-11-2012, 07:29 PM
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Bobby Ryan to Pittsburgh

Hey guys, I know this is something that has been talked about a lot in the past and almost all Pittsburgh and Ducks fans, I assume, hate this topic. I do as well considering the history of it.

However, I wanted to bring it back up and sincerely discuss what would be needed to bring someone of Ryan caliber to Pittsburgh. And, please don't turn this into an argument over if Ryan is good or not. He's an excellent, top-notch player that very fan, every team would love to have.

Having said that, what would be needed to bring him over? We lost probably the biggest asset to bring him in Staal however we have a choke full of defensive prospects.

Would a trade around this work?


Joe Morrow
Derrick Pouliot
Chris Kunitz


Bobby Ryan
Emerson Etem

I am not even sure if its fair trade value wise but let me know. No flaming, please!

P.S.: It's not titled as a "Proposal" because I have simply chosen to give a sample trade but I wanted to mainly have discussions on what would be needed to bring him over and not discussions about why my proposal sucks so bad.

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07-11-2012, 07:30 PM
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How about

Bobby Ryan
Etem

for

Malkin ?

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Im not fan of either but bobby ryan is worth more plus duck would want a top roster player in return

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How about

Bobby Ryan
Etem

for

Malkin ?


Was my proposal that bad to warrant this? I didn't think so...

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They need a numb 2 center. All u got is Sid or crosby lol

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We had this thread a few days ago, it was decided that the Pens don't have the pieces to get Ryan and adding Etem just makes it even more unlikely.

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Ducks fans have made it painfully clear that they expect a scoring line center (or blue-chip center prospect) for Ryan. Whether they get it or not in the end, any proposal not including one will be swiftly rejected.

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We had this thread a few days ago, it was decided that the Pens don't have the pieces to get Ryan and adding Etem just makes it even more unlikely.
I thought they were lacking D and top prospects would help the franchise, no?

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Morrow and Etem cancel each other out in value and should probably be left off seeing how generally high both fanbases are on them respectively.

So you are offering Kunitz+Pouliot for Ryan, which seems off and I don't know whether it is very far off, but I know for sure you are going to get told, it is not what they want. Which is young forwards, specifically a second line center.

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That package does not get Bobby Ryan better yet Etem added to it. As was already said this was already talked about and Pitt just simply does not have the movable assets to make a deal possible.

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We had this thread a few days ago, it was decided that the Pens don't have the pieces to get Ryan and adding Etem just makes it even more unlikely.
Pens have plenty have assets required to pry away Ryan but the question is, are they willing to part with the assets to get him here? I think not.

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Alright, I understand that both fan bases love Morrow and Etem. If we left them off, would a deal around Pouliot + Kunitz be fair for Ryan, Ducks fans?

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Pens have plenty have assets required to pry away Ryan but the question is, are they willing to part with the assets to get him here? I think not.
The Ducks are looking for a legit young #2 center ie someone that can score 20-30 goals put up 50 plus points consistently. The Pens do not have one. They have two #1 centers that will not be moved and a great 3rd line center in Sutter.

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I'm a Pens fan and this is highway robbery. Those three players for Bobby Ryan alone probably wouldn't get it done. Plus the Ducks need a 2nd line center so this trade won't help.

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The Ducks are looking for a legit young #2 center plus more ie someone that can score 20-30 goals put up 50 plus points consistently. The Pens do not have one. They have two #1 centers that will not be moved and a great 3rd line center in Sutter.
Do you mean a prospect with that upside or do you actually mean they basically want a cheaper Bobby Ryan + a 2LC for Bobby Ryan?

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They need a numb 2 center. All u got is Sid or crosby lol
If we have to give up Sid OR Crosby, its a no go.

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If we have to give up Sid OR Crosby, its a no go.
Also neither of them is numb.

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Do you mean a prospect with that upside or do you actually mean they basically want a cheaper Bobby Ryan + a 2LC for Bobby Ryan?
I actually edited the post as the way I put it was confusing they want a #2 center capable of 20-30 goals and can put up 50 plus points and something else added in. Staal like player is pretty much what they would want who was traded away.

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I actually edited the post as the way I put it was confusing they want a #2 center capable of 20-30 goals and can put up 50 plus points and something else added in.
I see where you are coming from especially since Staal for Ryan was such a big trade option before Staal got traded but I thought you guys had a need for defense as well especially since you have top notch offensive prospects?

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I actually edited the post as the way I put it was confusing they want a #2 center capable of 20-30 goals and can put up 50 plus points and something else added in.
Oops. You apparently even did it before I quoted it too. *headdesk* Sorry, this way it makes sense.

Edit: Now I am just confused. Anyway. Yes, that's fair.

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Pens don't have the assets needed to get Ryan. I'm sorry but this is getting TO bad

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I see where you are coming from especially since Staal for Ryan was such a big trade option before Staal got traded but I thought you guys had a need for defense as well especially since you have top notch offensive prospects?
The Ducks have Lindholm, Vatanen and Clark as defensive prospects and just signed Allen and Souray as a (hopeful) bridge. If Ryan is subtracted they need players who will impact and strengthen the team NOW -a 2C is the main piece needed. They aren't going to spend the best trading chip and not improve the main weakness of center.

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Holy cow that's not even close.

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I see where you are coming from especially since Staal for Ryan was such a big trade option before Staal got traded but I thought you guys had a need for defense as well especially since you have top notch offensive prospects?
Originally (pre-draft) we were looking for a 2C, Top 4D and pick/prospect for Ryan if we had to move him and someone was willing to meet Murray's price.

We drafted Lindholm at #6, and combined with Vatanen, Clark and Welinski, we are doing well with young d prospects. Vatanen will compete for a roster spot this year and join with Fowler and Sbisa. In free agency we signed Bryan Allen and Sheldon Souray to 3 yr contracts. Along with Beachemin and Lydman, so now our blue line looks stable (good, average or bad we shall see) with a good blend of veterans and youth heading into training camp.

I'd guess that if we had to move Bobby Ryan today, we would still be looking for a 2C along with a young Top 6 winger and a pick/prospect. Goal is to be salary neutral if possible, depending on the 2C. We're not interested in players one year from UFA or over 30 considering Ryan is 25 and signed for 3 more years.

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