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07-10-2012, 11:03 PM
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This guy is criminally underrated..even as a 3rd/4th liner. Love this signing.
agreed same as the Pyatt signing...both will improve the team...Asham and Haley can be another chris simon and sean avery so who knows what the Rangers have here.

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07-10-2012, 11:17 PM
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Guys are going crazy arguing over split hairs.

We need more scoring on the top two lines, period. Sather got these guys cheap, Prust wanted way too much money. Can't overpay for guys like Rupp, he's a nice guy on HBO Rangers?Flyers, on the ice he mostly stinks. It's a cap league. We got Asham/Pyatt/Halperin et al cheap, leaves us money to sign players who can actually play while the bottom six is roughly the same.

If we win the Cup, it is because of McD/Girardi/Staal/King/Kreider/Gaborik/Richards, etc, not these guys.

Be nice to have a kid make the squad too even if on the 4th line.

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07-10-2012, 11:42 PM
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Guys are going crazy arguing over split hairs.

We need more scoring on the top two lines, period. Sather got these guys cheap, Prust wanted way too much money. Can't overpay for guys like Rupp, he's a nice guy on HBO Rangers?Flyers, on the ice he mostly stinks. It's a cap league. We got Asham/Pyatt/Halperin et al cheap, leaves us money to sign players who can actually play while the bottom six is roughly the same.

If we win the Cup, it is because of McD/Girardi/Staal/King/Kreider/Gaborik/Richards, etc, not these guys.

Be nice to have a kid make the squad too even if on the 4th line.
Its because of every player on the team. This day and age teams are so equal so one weak player is enough to literally keep a team out of contention.

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Guys are going crazy arguing over split hairs.

We need more scoring on the top two lines, period. Sather got these guys cheap, Prust wanted way too much money. Can't overpay for guys like Rupp, he's a nice guy on HBO Rangers?Flyers, on the ice he mostly stinks. It's a cap league. We got Asham/Pyatt/Halperin et al cheap, leaves us money to sign players who can actually play while the bottom six is roughly the same.

If we win the Cup, it is because of McD/Girardi/Staal/King/Kreider/Gaborik/Richards, etc, not these guys.

Be nice to have a kid make the squad too even if on the 4th line.
To be fair, he was hurt all year.

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07-11-2012, 11:33 AM
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Jeff is a prototypical stop gap player. Good one, but no one gives him longer contract, assuming his replcement is in pipeline. Who is he stop gapping for?
I think Slats is going to upgrade his offer to CBJ by including AA in the deal.

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07-11-2012, 01:43 PM
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Jeff is a prototypical stop gap player. Good one, but no one gives him longer contract, assuming his replcement is in pipeline. Who is he stop gapping for?
I think Slats is going to upgrade his offer to CBJ by including AA in the deal.
Thats what alot of us here think...im sure Dubinsky and Anisimov will not be with NYR start of camp.Unless CBJs asking price is still absurd and NYR dont get Ryan.

I cant say enough how much i would love to see Ryan and Doan in NYR sweaters

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5 on 5 anisimov is a superior defender to Boyle... But it doesn't mean I wouldn't trade aa and keep Boyle

The reason aa isnt on the pk is because he isn't the greatest shot blocker and his stops and starts are a little late, but as far as reading the defensive zone I'll say with confidence he's one of the best if not the best forward defender this team has had the last 3 seasons

Boyle has been caught out of position many a time out there.
And I have never seen Anisimov cover for a pinching defenseman his entire Ranger career while playing center or wing. He also gets outmuscled down low or around the net like a child playing amongst men. He neither has the strength or smarts to his his frame to an advantage.

Yes Boyle has been caught out of position, but Anisimov is not a superior defender 5 on 5. I would place Boyle second only to Callahan as far as defensive forwards go, Fedotenko would have been third followed by Prust after that it was a crapshoot.

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Halpern is a smart cookie

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But he doesn’t discount that 14 physical postseason games wound up affecting the Rangers in their six-game loss to the Devils in the Eastern Conference final.

“If the Rangers had won in six, I don’t think I would have been surprised,” Halpern said of the Devils’ series. “I thought the Washington-New York series was real physical and hard fought and Ottawa was hard fought and physical. Those are 14 tough games. New Jersey got a break (five games in the second round against the Flyers). If they started the playoffs (playing each other), I don’t know if it’s the same result.”
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On whether the Rangers have indicated to him what they see as his role: “I talked a little bit with coach, with Torts. We had a brief conversation and exchanged messages a couple of times. We went over a couple of things.”
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/r..._jeff_halpern/

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I love the fact that Boyle is great on the PK yet somehow always out of position on 5-on-5. If he was always out of position and not playing great D 5-on-5, Torts WOULDN'T ****ING HAVE HIM ON THE ICE ALL THE TIME.

Do some of you guys just throw away logic when talking about Boyle and AA?

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07-11-2012, 10:18 PM
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Do some of you guys just throw away logic when talking about Boyle and AA?
To throw something you would need to have it in your hands first.

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07-11-2012, 10:53 PM
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Anisimov and Boyle are about equal defensively at even strength. My eyes indicate that. Statistics corroborate it. Anisimov was on the ice for 31 GA at even strength. Boyle was on the ice for 38 at ES. They had relatively similar ES time (12:24 for Boyle, 12:44 for Anisimov). They were relatively equal in 5/5 QualComp (.581 for Boyle, .561 for Anisimov).

The major difference between the two, statistically, is that Anisimov started over 50% of his shifts in the offensive zone whereas Boyle was less than 30%. Then again, Anisimov also ended over 50% of his shifts in the offensive zone whereas Boyle ended a little over 40% of his shifts there. This is just an indication in a difference of roles.

Also, based on what I watch, Anisimov is extremely responsible defensively. It's why he was such an important part of the GAS line last year. Not for his offensive presence, because he clearly wasn't providing much of that, but because he allowed Stepan to be more aggressive offensively. He played the role of Lehtinen to Modano-Hull (not that Stepan-Gaborik are really a great comparison there )

I also don't think Anisimov is a bad penalty killer. Tortorella doesn't disagree with that either. It's not 100% where his game is being utilized, but it's not like the coach is reluctant to put him out there. He gets spot duty.

I was pretty disappointed with Anisimov's offensive output last season. However, I'm willing to overlook it due to him playing a position he wasn't totally comfortable in, forcing him to focus on his defense more than I would like. Let him play 3rd line C next year, I think we'll all be much happier with him.

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07-11-2012, 10:59 PM
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Halpern is a smart cookie
Well, the guy did go to Princeton...






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07-11-2012, 11:09 PM
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Anisimov's 7 less GA at ES is helped by his .930 On Ice SV percentage compared to .912 for Boyle as well

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Anisimov's 7 less GA at ES is helped by his .930 On Ice SV percentage compared to .912 for Boyle as well
Well, you could look at that stat in one of two ways.

Either it's meaningless, because it's not like Lundqvist and Biron are magically better goaltenders simply due to Anisimov's presence.

Or it's an indication that opponents are getting higher quality shots when Boyle is on the ice, which would seem to say that Anisimov is a better player in the defensive zone.

Personally, I believe the former.

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07-11-2012, 11:22 PM
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Well, you could look at that stat in one of two ways.

Either it's meaningless, because it's not like Lundqvist and Biron are magically better goaltenders simply due to Anisimov's presence.

Or it's an indication that opponents are getting higher quality shots when Boyle is on the ice, which would seem to say that Anisimov is a better player in the defensive zone.

Personally, I believe the former.
Or you could look at it another: when you evaluating players based on a sample size of 30-40 events, there's a big luck factor involved. Anisimov, in 2011-12 was a lot luckier in the defensive zone than Boyle.

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Or you could look at it another: when you evaluating players based on a sample size of 30-40 events, there's a big luck factor involved. Anisimov, in 2011-12 was a lot luckier in the defensive zone than Boyle.
30-40 events? You think their opponents only got off 30-40 shots over a whole season against each of these players?

Anisimov was on the ice for 419 ES shots against last season. Boyle for 435. Luck tends not to weigh too heavily on those numbers.


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30-40 events? You think their opponents only got off 30-40 shots over a whole season against each of these players?
I'm referring to their GA (38 vs. 31) that you mentioned. I'm saying to look at those numbers without the On Ice save percentage is ignoring the luck element.

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Tortorella trusts Boyle more then he trusts Anisimov.

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I'm referring to their GA (38 vs. 31) that you mentioned. I'm saying to look at those numbers without the On Ice save percentage is ignoring the luck element.
Save percentage is a measure of goals over total shots, not of goals. There is little luck element when you're discussing numbers in the range we're talking about in regards to SVP.

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Advanced stats do not work in hockey.

Tortorella trusts Boyle more then he trusts Anisimov.
Tortorella trusts Boyle more to start in the defensive zone than Anisimov, for sure. But that doesn't mean that he trusts Boyle more overall. That's just an indication of each player's respective faceoff ability and each player's respective role on the team.

And yes, advanced stats do work in hockey. Unlike baseball, though, they still require interpretation.

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Save percentage is a measure of goals over total shots, not of goals. There is little luck element when you're discussing numbers in the range we're talking about in regards to SVP.
Yeah, I know what save percentage is.

What I'm saying is this:

You brought in the stat of Anisimov's 31 ES GA vs. Boyle's 38. I'm saying that number is influenced by luck, and used their OnIceSV% to try to show that. OnIceSV% has been shown to largely regress to the mean in the long run. Meaning any large differences are due mainly to luck.

If the luck were eliminated, they would have virtually the same ES GA. And with Boyle starting nearly 3/4 of his shifts in the defensive zone.

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Jeff is a prototypical stop gap player. Good one, but no one gives him longer contract, assuming his replcement is in pipeline. Who is he stop gapping for?
has to be lindberg.

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has to be lindberg.
Or another stop gap...

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I love the fact that Boyle is great on the PK yet somehow always out of position on 5-on-5. If he was always out of position and not playing great D 5-on-5, Torts WOULDN'T ****ING HAVE HIM ON THE ICE ALL THE TIME.

Do some of you guys just throw away logic when talking about Boyle and AA?
It's pretty obvious... Anisimov is 'home grown.' If Boyle was a 6th round draft pick by the Rangers 5 years ago, then we'd be discussing all the hard work he'd done to become a productive member of the team. We'd be talking about how he's a hard working part of 'the core.'

No one discusses that Anisimovs offense hasn't developed as hoped even though he's played on lines with the teams best offensive players. How's he's become a very mediocre 2-way forward, but hey, he's home grown.

Personally, I think this is put up or shut up year for AA...

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It's pretty obvious... Anisimov is 'home grown.' If Boyle was a 6th round draft pick by the Rangers 5 years ago, then we'd be discussing all the hard work he'd done to become a productive member of the team. We'd be talking about how he's a hard working part of 'the core.'

No one discusses that Anisimovs offense hasn't developed as hoped even though he's played on lines with the teams best offensive players. How's he's become a very mediocre 2-way forward, but hey, he's home grown.
Some people already do that.

They're wrong.

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