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07-11-2012, 10:28 PM
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How about Hagelin.Dubinsky.Anisimov. 2nd?

Nash--Richards--Callahan
Kreider--Stepan--Gaborik
Pyatt--Boyle--Miller(yes. I think he makes the team)
Asham--Halpern--Rupp

*Talk about the Rangers aging on the 3rd/4th line....*

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HEY SATHER, MUELLER JUST SIGNED FOR ONE YEAR ON A BARGAIN CONTRACT, WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING?

I'm sick and tired of this ****ing pathetic offseason. We had problems with our scoring last season, LET'S SIGN BOTTOM-6ers AND GOONS. This is a PATHETIC attempt at offseason. It's Nash/Ryan or nothing it seems. Pathetic.
Maybe he doesn't want an unreliable mush brain like Mueller?

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weber, nash, doan, thoughts

Im a devil fan but my uncle is a huge ranger fan I live with him and watch the games with him and I know a lot about them. I don't hat them like most devil fans unless they play the devils lol moving on

I was curios who you guys want. And what would you be willing to give up.

Nash? Weber? Ryan? Doan?

I think Weber would be best for you. Your 5 on 5 was ranked in the middle ans your power play sucked. Weber would be great quarterbacking the power play.

I think if is harder to find aa guy like Weber than nash or Ryan or Doan and personal I don't see doan doing it for you.
Now Nash Richards and kreider wwould be very good.

You would have to give up he most for Weber.
2 1sts, del zotto or staal, haglin or Stepan?

Let me you know what you guys think and want. Don't hate on the devils on this thread please

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Game 7 vs Senators replay on NHL Network right now. Awesome!

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07-11-2012, 10:31 PM
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How about Hagelin.Dubinsky.Anisimov. 2nd?

Nash--Richards--Callahan
Kreider--Stepan--Gaborik
Pyatt--Boyle--Miller(yes. I think he makes the team)
Asham--Halpern--Rupp

*Talk about the Rangers aging on the 3rd/4th line....*
Sather wasn't interested (allegedly) in dealing two roster players for Nash, I'd be shocked if he dealt 3. That's a lot of holes to fill...and no Miller probably isn't making the team. Not going to be ready unless he has one of those training camps where you just can't send him down. But it's unlikely. And either way you've got Boyle on the 3rd line? Not ideal either.

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How about Hagelin.Dubinsky.Anisimov. 2nd?

Nash--Richards--Callahan
Kreider--Stepan--Gaborik
Pyatt--Boyle--Miller(yes. I think he makes the team)
Asham--Halpern--Rupp

*Talk about the Rangers aging on the 3rd/4th line....*
I would give up Stepan before I gave up THREE roster players...

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He's a lefty but the Rangers have made a habit of having at least one inexperienced guy earn a job either out of camp of a few weeks into the season.

Erixon was drafted in 2009.

He spent three full seasons in the SEL and one split between the AHL and NHL.

He'll be 22 by mid-season.

I think he should be ready.
Hey, I hope it does come to fruition. Add in - hopefully - a healthy Sauer after the All-Star break...

*Salivates*

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07-11-2012, 10:34 PM
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And that team with Nash in Hagelin's place and another third line forward (acquired via another trade, free agency or brought up from our system) in Dubinsky's place would be even better.

Nash may not be worth acquiring at the price Howson is asking, however, at a reasonable price he makes this team significantly better. If you're trying to argue that Nash isn't worth $7.8M/year, I think you'll find most people agree. However, he won't kill our cap situation with Dubinsky's salary off the books, and we have some other big contracts (like Gaborik) coming off the books at times that will make it easier to resign our young RFAs and Lundqvist.
He won't come "at a reasonable price".

All the forwards mentioned in the trade -- Dubinsky, AA, Hagelin, Stepan -- are all two-way forwards, three of who can play center and wing.

Nash only plays wing, and he's not a good penalty killer/defensive forward. Nash has been playing "soft minutes" the last few years as a BJ.

The Rangers are not better off adding Nash while subtracting two of the above.

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Weber would cost a fortune, ill wait for him to hit market.

Nash - my #1 choice, once sather gets howsens demands down.

Ryan my #2. Definitely means stepan gets moved but id do it.

Doan will get a crazy contract for 3-4 years more then id want him, pass.

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Sather wasn't interested (allegedly) in dealing two roster players for Nash, I'd be shocked if he dealt 3. That's a lot of holes to fill...and no Miller probably isn't making the team. Not going to be ready unless he has one of those training camps where you just can't send him down. But it's unlikely. And either way you've got Boyle on the 3rd line? Not ideal either.
I thought I heard he's willing to give up 2 roster players and 2 prospects or a pick and a prospect. I could see him parting with two of them, but not 3, unless he could get some 3rd line players seriously cheap. Though on the plus hand, moving all those players would pretty much pay for Nash's cap hit over 3 years.

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I think it's funny when people around here say Nash isn't a difference maker and point to the game against CBJ as an example. He wasn't all over the place dominating that game sure, but he did tie it with a minute and a half to go.

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How about Hagelin.Dubinsky.Anisimov. 2nd?

Nash--Richards--Callahan
Kreider--Stepan--Gaborik
Pyatt--Boyle--Miller(yes. I think he makes the team)
Asham--Halpern--Rupp

*Talk about the Rangers aging on the 3rd/4th line....*
Worst bottom-6 in the league, and that includes the BJ's, Oilers and Isles.

The top-6 will all play 22 mins a night.

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He won't come "at a reasonable price".

All the forwards mentioned in the trade -- Dubinsky, AA, Hagelin, Stepan -- are all two-way forwards, three of who can play center and wing.

Nash only plays wing, and he's not a good penalty killer/defensive forward. Nash has been playing "soft minutes" the last few years as a BJ.

The Rangers are not better off adding Nash while subtracting two of the above.
AA + Dubi = reasonable
Dubi + hagelin = reasonable
AA + hagelin = reasonable
Stepan is a no

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Weber would cost a fortune, ill wait for him to hit market.

Nash - my #1 choice, once sather gets howsens demands down.

Ryan my #2. Definitely means stepan gets moved but id do it.

Doan will get a crazy contract for 3-4 years more then id want him, pass.
You will probably be waiting more than a decade. Weber is not getting to free agency.

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I think it's funny when people around here say Nash isn't a difference maker and point to the game against CBJ as an example. He wasn't all over the place dominating that game sure, but he did tie it with a minute and a half to go.
Perhaps, but was he really a difference maker in that game? I mean they lost, no? Anyway, sure, Nash has the potential to be a difference maker. But really, doesn't every 40 goal scorer?

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Howson wants NHL-established players because he sucks at developing them. I bet if he was offered 5 1st rounders like the Caps got for Stevens, he would turn and run away because the onus would be on him to develop players.

Slats should offer three 1sts and two 2nds for Nash just to make Howson turn it down publicly and get fired a week before the season.


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Perhaps, but was he really a difference maker in that game? I mean they lost, no? Anyway, sure, Nash has the potential to be a difference maker. But really, doesn't every 40 goal scorer?
well he wasn't going to beat a 109 pt team by himself.

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well he wasn't going to beat a 109 pt team by himself.
Sure, but one could argue that a difference maker would put his team on his shoulders and pot the OT game winner as well. That's my definition of a game-breaker.

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I think it's funny when people around here say Nash isn't a difference maker and point to the game against CBJ as an example. He wasn't all over the place dominating that game sure, but he did tie it with a minute and a half to go.
You can blame Dubinsky refusing to play his position for that.

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AA + Dubi = reasonable
Dubi + hagelin = reasonable
AA + hagelin = reasonable
Stepan is a no
BJ's would have to send one of their 2nd or 3rd liners back...oh wait...they all suck.

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How about Hagelin.Dubinsky.Anisimov. 2nd?

Nash--Richards--Callahan
Kreider--Stepan--Gaborik
Pyatt--Boyle--Miller(yes. I think he makes the team)
Asham--Halpern--Rupp

*Talk about the Rangers aging on the 3rd/4th line....*
They're not trading three roster forwards for Nash. You can't count on Miller making the team even if you're high on him. Plus, that deal forces both Asham and Rupp into the everyday starting lineup. No thanks.

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He won't come "at a reasonable price".

All the forwards mentioned in the trade -- Dubinsky, AA, Hagelin, Stepan -- are all two-way forwards, three of who can play center and wing.

Nash only plays wing, and he's not a good penalty killer/defensive forward. Nash has been playing "soft minutes" the last few years as a BJ.

The Rangers are not better off adding Nash while subtracting two of the above.
You do realize what "if" means, correct? I sure do, and used it because I admitted earlier that the price Howson is asking may not be worth it.

I'm going to assume you don't watch Nash play often. He's a good defensive winger, and he's good on the penalty kill. During the Jackets' two best seasons he stepped up his two way game and proved he could be a complete forward. At the Olympics in 2010 he was counted on to play on Canada's shutdown line and did a great job, specifically in the game against Russia where he was playing opposite Ovechkin.

The only reason he's been playing "soft minutes" is because the Jackets' coaches since Hitchcock have tried to save him for late in games - something most of their fans are upset with and probably one of the biggest reasons Scott Arniel lost his job.

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A day or so ago I mused that CBJ might keep Nash if they didn't believe a respectable trade was possible. Now based on a new angle I've reconsidered. I have come full circle and believe that CBJ will indeed take the best offer they have before the start of the season?

I know very little about the prospects in the 2013 mock draft. However I did see this name come up. was the writer overplaying Mackinnon as a prospect? Is he someone that you can possibly build a franchise around?

Nathan MacKinnon, F, Halifax

Based on last years performance and looking at a CBJ team without Nash I started to wonder whether CBJ has a very good chance to pick #1? Clearly there are no guarantees that CBJ will pick 1st or McK's reputation will remain high but here's the squibb.

"He is considered by many to be the best forward prospect since Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby, so there is little doubt that Halifax center Nathan MacKinnon will be the first pick next year provided he continues to progress. MacKinnon had 31 goals and 78 points for the Mooseheads in his rookie season in the QMJHL, and all signs point to him being even better next season.

MacKinnon has been dominant at every level and NHL teams are probably already salivating at the prospect of drafting him. He is an excellent playmaker first and foremost, but he also has a devastating shot and great skating ability. On top of that, he should be able to grow into a 6'0", 200-pound player over the next year if everything goes well."

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I really wish Sather would pull a Brooklyn Nets and tell Howson, this is the final offer, you have 24 hours to accept or we're out.

I am so beyond tired of this Nash thing. If we're going to spend assets for an improvement you start talking to Poile now about Weber. There are always other options in this league, if Howson's going to be that idiotic, let him lose his job over it.

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