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07-11-2012, 09:55 PM
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Would anyone think of giving up Stepan, Hagelin,Dubinsky, if we would get back Nash, Brassard, Umberger? They get younger and re-tool, getting close to the same production while decreasing their cap position. we get that top line guy in nash, a replacement for dubinsky, and **** salary in umberger but 40 pt guy.

Nothing else should need to be added, but would you be interested in something like this?


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Based on last years performance and looking at a CBJ team without Nash I started to wonder whether CBJ has a very good chance to pick #1? Clearly there are no guarantees that CBJ will pick 1st or McK's reputation will remain high but here's the squibb.
You realize that even as the worst team in the league you still have a less than 50% chance to land that #1 pick, right? That's pretty far from a guarantee. And that's assuming they actually finish first...should another team actually suck worse all bets are off. lol

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Would anyone think of giving up Stepan, Hagelin,Dubinsky, if we would get back Nash, Brassard, Umberger?
We'd be winning that trade

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I really wish Sather would pull a Brooklyn Nets and tell Howson, this is the final offer, you have 24 hours to accept or we're out.

I am so beyond tired of this Nash thing. If we're going to spend assets for an improvement you start talking to Poile now about Weber. There are always other options in this league, if Howson's going to be that idiotic, let him lose his job over it.
It would be amateur of Sather to do that. The only people who are upset about the time dragging on are impatient fans. Why should he make any threats? And again, Sather is working every other angle to improve this team. If/when he pulls off another deal and Nash becomes irrelevant so be it. But for Sather to try and force Howson's hand likely means he can't return to that discussion later should other options not pan out. Sather is playing this one perfectly and I'm glad for that.

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and how do we expect to fit Nash, Brassard AND umberger under the cap if all we'r'e giving up is Dubinsky and 2 ELC contracts?

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We'd be winning that trade
We would this year, but Columbus gets what that want,

They really aren't losing much imediate impact, they are getting younger, and freeing up cap space.

We are getting older, adding cap, adding that "game breaker"

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and how do we expect to fit Nash, Brassard AND umberger under the cap if all we'r'e giving up is Dubinsky and 2 ELC contracts?
haven't put that much thought into this one yet, ill get back after I cap geek. We'd still be 5 million under the cap, that is the price we have to pay.

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You realize that even as the worst team in the league you still have a less than 50% chance to land that #1 pick, right? That's pretty far from a guarantee. And that's assuming they actually finish first...should another team actually suck worse all bets are off. lol
Didn't know that. Does hockey have a lottery as well?

Trading Nash before the season hopefully increases their odds. LOL

Imagine trading your captain hoping your team tanks to hit the lottery.

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haven't put that much thought into this one yet, ill get back after I cap geek.
Nash makes 7.8, Umberger 4.5, and Brassard makes 3.. its impossible lol.

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You do realize what "if" means, correct? I sure do, and used it because I admitted earlier that the price Howson is asking may not be worth it.

I'm going to assume you don't watch Nash play often. He's a good defensive winger, and he's good on the penalty kill. During the Jackets' two best seasons he stepped up his two way game and proved he could be a complete forward. At the Olympics in 2010 he was counted on to play on Canada's shutdown line and did a great job, specifically in the game against Russia where he was playing opposite Ovechkin.

The only reason he's been playing "soft minutes" is because the Jackets' coaches since Hitchcock have tried to save him for late in games - something most of their fans are upset with and probably one of the biggest reasons Scott Arniel lost his job.
No he's not, and no he's not.

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Didn't know that. Does hockey have a lottery as well?

Trading Nash before the season hopefully increases their odds. LOL

Imagine trading your captain hoping your team tanks to hit the lottery.
Yup.

Here were the odds for winning the lottery this year...and by winning I'm referring to your ball being selected for the #1 overall pick.

Odds of winning the draft lottery
1 - Columbus - 25.0%
2 - Edmonton - 18.8%
3 - Montreal - 14.2%
4 - NY Islanders - 10.7%
5 - Toronto - 8.1%
6 - Anaheim - 6.2%
7 - Minnesota - 4.7%
8 - Carolina - 3.6%
9 - Winnipeg - 2.7%
10 - Tampa Bay - 2.1%
11 - Washington (via COL) - 1.5%
12 - Buffalo - 1.1%
13 - Dallas - 0.8%
14 - Calgary - 0.5%

The Columbus Blue Jackets, who finished with the fewest points in the League, have the best chance of winning the No. 1 pick. Since teams can move up a maximum of four spots, the only teams with a chance at gaining the top choice are the Blue Jackets, Edmonton Oilers, Montreal Canadiens, New York Islanders and Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Blue Jackets enter Tuesday's drawing with a 25.0-percent chance of winning the Lottery. If a team outside the bottom five in the standings wins, then Columbus will get the top choice, improving their odds to 48.2 percent. League rules dictate that no team can drop more than one spot, so the Blue Jackets will have at least the first or second pick in the draft.


How did you think Edmonton got the pick?

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Why don't more people see what a terrible, putrid skater Derek Stepan is. Not to mention how physically weak he is.

I don't know about you, but in my professional NHL team, I want every major producing forward to be exceptional skaters.

IT IS ICE HOCKEY.

I want the two roster players to be Dubi and Anisimov...but if Stepan gets it done with Dubinsky, I would have to consider.

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No he's not, and no he's not.
Actually he played well on the pk for Hitchcock, but go ahead and disregard it because it doesn't suit your argument.

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Nash makes 7.8, Umberger 4.5, and Brassard makes 3.. its impossible lol.
http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/?action=modify-roster&demote-button=&roster[]=412

We would be 5,466,666 under the cap, we could resign Dezotto to the expected contract, and add a defense man just incase erixon isn't ready, so we are stuck with bickel again.

It does work though. but how many of you would be open to this move?

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.875m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Arron Asham ($1.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Mike Rupp ($1.500m)
Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) /
Micheal Haley ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN


Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) /

GOALTENDERS

Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,733,334; BONUSES: $1,062,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $5,466,666

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Why don't more people see what a terrible, putrid skater Derek Stepan is. Not to mention how physically weak he is.

I don't know about you, but in my professional NHL team, I want every major producing forward to be exceptional skaters.

IT IS ICE HOCKEY.
So you're confident he can't improve his skating or add muscle? Or is it all down hill at 22?

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Why don't more people see what a terrible, putrid skater Derek Stepan is. Not to mention how physically weak he is.

I don't know about you, but in my professional NHL team, I want every major producing forward to be exceptional skaters.

IT IS ICE HOCKEY.

I want the two roster players to be Dubi and Anisimov...but if Stepan gets it done with Dubinsky, I would have to consider.
I don't care how he does it. I don't care if he comes out in his tap shoes and doesn't skate at all. His bottom line is nice.

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Would anyone think of giving up Stepan, Hagelin,Dubinsky, if we would get back Nash, Brassard, Umberger? They get younger and re-tool, getting close to the same production while decreasing their cap position. we get that top line guy in nash, a replacement for dubinsky, and **** salary in umberger but 40 pt guy.

Nothing else should need to be added, but would you be interested in something like this?
No...

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Why don't more people see what a terrible, putrid skater Derek Stepan is. Not to mention how physically weak he is.

I don't know about you, but in my professional NHL team, I want every major producing forward to be exceptional skaters.

IT IS ICE HOCKEY.

I want the two roster players to be Dubi and Anisimov...but if Stepan gets it done with Dubinsky, I would have to consider.
I'll let you worry about how Stepan produces, and I'll just be happy with the fact that he does.

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That is why Sather isn't going to deal him. He needs Howson to bite on Dubi & Anisimov. That would be ideal. Stepan still has time to grow and I haven't given up on him regardless of how little (raw) skilled I think he is.

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No he's not, and no he's not.
Yes he is, and yes he is.

Want to keep going at this? You're dead wrong, and a quick glance at his stats under Hitchcock shows he is a good defensive forward when his coach uses him in tough situations (defensive zone starts, PK, etc.)

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Stepan might not have elite skill but he has the brain. Enver Lisin had skill that would shame a god. It got him nowhere because he was dumb as a rock. I'd rather have a player with the hockey IQ.

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Yes he is, and yes he is.

Want to keep going at this? You're dead wrong, and a quick glance at his stats under Hitchcock shows he is a good defensive forward when his coach uses him in tough situations (defensive zone starts, PK, etc.)
But that was several years ago and he is on the decline at 28, so he obviously can't be used on the PK or be expected to play responsibly away from the puck now.

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No...
That's one no, what about this deal turns you off?

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AA + Dubi = reasonable
Dubi + hagelin = reasonable
AA + hagelin = reasonable
Stepan is a no
Aa+hags is reasonable if it's straight up, no picks, no prospect. I am not taking on 7.8 mill salary for nothing.

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