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07-07-2012, 01:47 AM
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Every NHL draft has steals and busts. If you think you're getting a superstar, you don't know the draft. You can get Giroux at 25, Cody Eakin at 85, Ennis at 26, D. Perron at 26, etc. All of whom were drafted after Calgary made their pick. The Flames needed to draft better, period. Even if you sink to the basement, you still have 6 other rounds worth of work to do that's not guaranteeing a star. Calgary wasn't doing their job for 7 whole rounds and would've likely ****ed up the first overall selection because they were incompetent at drafting. These problems aren't fixed by tanking...

And being competitive allows you to lure F.As, all of whom by the way, become valuable assets that can be traded for first round picks and decent prospects if need be. Obtaining additional picks are costly, but obtaining a F.A is free, in terms of assets. What's really better asset management? Selling for picks, or getting players for free?


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07-07-2012, 08:33 AM
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and we got Byron and Butler for a 7 million cap dump, cuz he did get that pick back.

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Talking about wearing a rose colored glass....

yeah he ****ing got that pick back alright..at the expense of losing out on a great prospect for someone much riskier

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07-07-2012, 09:32 AM
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Talking about wearing a rose colored glass....

yeah he ****ing got that pick back alright..at the expense of losing out on a great prospect for someone much riskier
well unfortunately you and i don't get paid big bucks to fly around the country watching young hockey players... so maybe the scouts are doing their job, and made the right pick. give it a rest, jankowski is a flame, and he may end up being a good one.

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07-07-2012, 11:36 AM
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well unfortunately you and i don't get paid big bucks to fly around the country watching young hockey players... so maybe the scouts are doing their job, and made the right pick. give it a rest, jankowski is a flame, and he may end up being a good one.
Not arguing about Jankowski potential

Just want to say it's a huge drop to pick up that 2nd pick...it's not like there was no cost as the other poster seems to imply.

yeah i am not a scout but it doesnt take a genius to understand the value of a pick...not all picks are equal.

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Not arguing about Jankowski potential

Just want to say it's a huge drop to pick up that 2nd pick...it's not like there was no cost as the other poster seems to imply.

yeah i am not a scout but it doesnt take a genius to understand the value of a pick...not all picks are equal.
precisely, not all picks are equal.
that's why he got 2 picks for the 14th
that's how it helps the rebuild, cause 2 players are brought into the system rather than one.

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1 think, you said Wideman was a tad more than Garrison.

He makes .5 Million more. Thats more than a tad IMO.
really its just half a mil thats peanuts

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really its just half a mil thats peanuts
At the end of the day. Both contracts, aren't very good. Both teams are stuck with what they have, Vancouver is stuck with their guy for more.

Wideman at least everyone knows can put up points... Garrison on the other hand is probabaly a bad pick up, no one that looks like Campbell kicking around in van city to get him some points.


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Every NHL draft has steals and busts. If you think you're getting a superstar, you don't know the draft. You can get Giroux at 25, Cody Eakin at 85, Ennis at 26, D. Perron at 26, etc. All of whom were drafted after Calgary made their pick. The Flames needed to draft better, period. Even if you sink to the basement, you still have 6 other rounds worth of work to do that's not guaranteeing a star. Calgary wasn't doing their job for 7 whole rounds and would've likely ****ed up the first overall selection because they were incompetent at drafting. These problems aren't fixed by tanking...

And being competitive allows you to lure F.As, all of whom by the way, become valuable assets that can be traded for first round picks and decent prospects if need be. Obtaining additional picks are costly, but obtaining a F.A is free, in terms of assets. What's really better asset management? Selling for picks, or getting players for free?
The draft isn't quite the crapshoot you are making it out to be. Sure, Giroux was picked late in the first but the many current stars were taken early: Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Kessel, Kane, Toews, Sedins, Doughty, etc. Drafting strategy will get you pretty far (as the Red Wings show and the Preds) but there is a far better chance of plucking an elite player out of the top 5 than the top 10 and top 10 than the top 20... after about 35-40 for many drafts (imo) it is a crapshoot. Overall, I think the proof is in the teams: Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, Washington all built their cores through high drafting. One can point out the Panthers to show the opposite but that just goes back to the point that while the 1st picks aren't crapshoots, there is still a risk involved like anything else when you are projecting what a young person will do 4-5 years from now.

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07-10-2012, 09:53 AM
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The draft isn't quite the crapshoot you are making it out to be. Sure, Giroux was picked late in the first but the many current stars were taken early: Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Kessel, Kane, Toews, Sedins, Doughty, etc. Drafting strategy will get you pretty far (as the Red Wings show and the Preds) but there is a far better chance of plucking an elite player out of the top 5 than the top 10 and top 10 than the top 20... after about 35-40 for many drafts (imo) it is a crapshoot. Overall, I think the proof is in the teams: Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, Washington all built their cores through high drafting. One can point out the Panthers to show the opposite but that just goes back to the point that while the 1st picks aren't crapshoots, there is still a risk involved like anything else when you are projecting what a young person will do 4-5 years from now.
I never said it was a crapshoot. I was saying that good teams surround themselves with good scouts and good drafting stragties. Chicago and Philly are prime examples of Stanely Cup drafting. Chicago drafted players from later rounds and late 1st rounds to build their depth, while only Kane, Toews, and Seabrook came from the early first round. The other depth came from good/smart trades, good F.As, and great scouting. Chicago changed their stragety after failing to make the playoffs for so many years and getting nowhere.

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New York is also often overlooked because of their high profile signings. However none of their drafted players (Staal, Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Dubi, Callahan, Lundqvist) and prospects (Kreider, Hagelin) were top 10 picks.

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New York is also often overlooked because of their high profile signings. However none of their drafted players (Staal, Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Dubi, Callahan, Lundqvist) and prospects (Kreider, Hagelin) were top 10 picks.
Exactly. If you don't have the right scouts, number of scouts, and development and drafting stragety, then it's a crapshoot, regardless of what round you're drafting in. If Feaster can prove over time that his policies, hires, and costs can pick the right players, then I'd trust a rebuild with him, but otherwise you're like the Oilers and Penguins where you're depending on the 1st overalls to keep you're organization a float. What happens when/if these kids decide to leave? Back to the old "consecutive-basement" strategy? That's not honorable winning IMO.

Marquee clubs set the standard, while the remaining depend on the league to put rules in place to protect and handicap the poor and failured. I would much rather be the marquee, but in the event of a basement finish, then the last resort is to utilize the league's assistance to build a club that follows those marquee standards. Otherwise you're giving up.


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Does anyone know what's going to happen with the Jets? Is the alignment not happening so the Jets have to suffer again next year?

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Does anyone know what's going to happen with the Jets? Is the alignment not happening so the Jets have to suffer again next year?
Not according to the schedule, no. Divisional alignment is an article in the CBA, which is one of the reasons the NHL let it expire and why we probably won't have hockey next season.

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When Feaster fixes the faceoffs issue, I'll give him credit. Until then, this team will remain inconsistent and will continue to just fail to make the playoffs.

IMO, Faceoffs is the real big issue with this team and it is yet to be addressed.

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