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05-24-2012, 08:37 AM
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Yeah, but we have the scoring problem in WC. Our WC team has max 5 NHL players every year, some players haven't played there in long time (e.g Timonen). So how are those players doing in NHL? Can they give us the goals we need?
We dont have high scoring players in the NHL. Timonen can QB the PP but he doesnt have gamebreaking shot - so no.

You already saw our best offensive forwards in the WHC, unfortunately.

But in the Olympics we'll have grinders that can score in Korpikoski and Bergenheim. Our team should be very balanced offensively - even though we'll still lack guys who can put the puck in the net consistently when they get the chance.

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I'm more worried about our D than scoring. With a great D and Rinne in the net we wouldn't have to score so much to win.

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Well we have some good defenders in NHL. I just hope we have enough of them so we don't have to pick players that aren't good enough for Olympics.

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Is MG's younger brother Markus Granlund no option for the Olympic games 2014? Is he too young or not good enough?

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Is MG's younger brother Markus Granlund no option for the Olympic games 2014? Is he too young or not good enough?
Combination. Not huge enough potential to be good enough in 2014 (probably not at least) and a bit on the young side still.

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Does Aleksander Barkov have a chance at making it?

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Does Aleksander Barkov have a chance at making it?
He won't be good enough to take a scoring line role by then so no.

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Does Aleksander Barkov have a chance at making it?
It would require him to make it to the NHL straight out of the draft and produce well. Not saying it's impossible but I'd say it's very unlikely.

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06-26-2012, 05:24 AM
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Finland is not hurting at centre, so seeing any current prospects playing that slot is unlikely. If we are to extend it to forwards in general, any younger than Mikael Granlund is highly improbable. Maybe Armia has a slight chance if he makes Buffalo's squad off the bat and starts producing right away. Or gets picked to next spring's WHC squad and does well there.

Defense is where Finns don't have it that well. So Määttä is a slim maybe.

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Defense is where Finns don't have it that well. So Määttä is a slim maybe.
If Määttä is even considered I will change my username to Dickwad or even worse; Niinimaa.

NO chance what so ever. All too young.

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NO chance what so ever. All too young.
Vatanen was a year younger when he played in his first WHC (and didn't stink) and we've seen 19-year-old reliable defensemen tear up NHL so not really too young, no.

But like I said, it's a slim maybe at best. I fully expect whoever's coaching at the time find six or seven more viable candidates... but out of players younger than the Finnish Baby Jesus, he does have the best shot, no matter how far and wide that may be.

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Before the draft I thought Määttä could have slight chance to make it, if he was playing in the NHL in 2013-2014 season, but I doubt he will make Pittsburgh's roster so soon. Same goes for Teräväinen, I don't see him in Chicago's line-up until 2014-2015 at the earliest.

I really hope we'll see as many young guns in this tournament as possible. Including Armia and Salomäki in the roster along with Vatanen and Granlund doesn't really weaken our chances as they are already almost non-existent with that dman group.

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Määttä did get a bit unlucky with the team that picked him, true. The Pens are not exactly raring to bring up young D-men. That being said, I wonder what Määttä's planned career move is for the next season. Does he intend to stay across the pond or maybe return home?

Like I already said concerning Armia, some solid SM-liiga play and a WHC invite might also do wonders to any olympic hopes even if he has destination AHL for the following season.

Salomäki is someone I doubt will have no chance at all. He'd be bottom-six, and would have to beat a ton of more seasoned guys to make it, and not the age-old kind either. Komarov, Hartikainen, Lajunen, Petrell - just to name a few. Several more in Europe.


While our d-man crop is thin, I'd say we still have a fair shot at icing an unit that doesn't look half bad - though there isn't too much room for injuries or other sidelines.

Vatanen
Timonen
Pitkänen
Niskala
Lydman
Väänänen
Järvinen

is the optimal situation. But beyond them, there's not much wiggling room. One stay-at-home D might be replaced with the likes of Kukkonen, Jaakola or Laakso - and for puck-movers, well... there's Lepistö. And Salmela. Suddenly Määttä doesn't appear such a bad idea after all if any of the top-four gets sidelined.


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Update

Offence:

T.Ruutu-M.Koivu-Filppula
Leino-Granlund-J.Jokinen
Korpikoski-Immonen-Bergenheim
Hartikainen-Nokelainen-Petrell
Komarov

Also considered:
Pulkkinen
Armia
Hagman
Donskoi
J.Lajunen
Kontiola
etc.

Defence:

Pitkänen-Lydman
Lepistö-Laakso
Vatanen-Jaakola
Niskala

Also considered:
Väänänen
Salmela
Kukkonen
Määttä
Timonen (retired by then? If not, he is on the team)
etc.

Goalies:

Rinne
Lehtonen
Rask

Also considered:
Niemi
Kipper
Bäckström
Vehanen
Hovinen
Engren
Niittymäki
etc.

Doesn't look nearly as bad as I though it would few years ago. Defense sucks but that goalie trio might the best of the tournament.



your predicted team is very close to what I'm thinking

T.Ruutu -M.Koivu-J.Jokinen
Pulkkinen-Immonen-Granlund
Bergenheim-Filppula-Leino
Korpikoski-Kapanen-Komarov
Petrell

needed another pig line, besides the chemistry ingredients are there, 3rd line can score and check, forth line can play a bit of d and add a little spice, Kapanen can still play

Pitkänen-Lydman
Salo-Timonen
Vatanen-Jaakola
Jarvinen

Timonen will still be playing, hes still amazing given his age, and with Salo signing his deal, I'm pretty sure he will be playing at a capable level, Lepisto has had many opportunities and hasn't done much and its hard to gauge Niskala

Rinne
Lehtonen
Rask

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T.Ruutu -M.Koivu-J.Jokinen
Pulkkinen-Immonen-Granlund
Bergenheim-Filppula-Leino
Korpikoski-Kapanen-Komarov
Petrell
Something tells me Pulkkinen is highly improbable, he first needs to make a level where he could reliably crack the adult NT lineup, this far he's been sort of lingering there but not fully in yet. A lot can happen in a season but right now he does look like a distant cry. Out of the young forwards behind Granlund, Armia is closest and even he's a long shot.

Though to be fair, it is kinda hard to think of more veteran forwards who could slot there. Hagman maybe. Or bump up Korpikoski and add Hartikainen to bottom six.

Everyone else looks at least plausible, and the line combos are quite neat as well. Though in defense, I'd pick Väänänen over Jaakola any given day, as would likely most of us here.

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Man we should start to focus on 2018 already .

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I don't get why people think Leino's overall skill makes him a probable on the team. At least not as a winger. His playing style is a big mismatch with meidän peli. As a centre he could slide in if there is an injury...

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I don't get why people think Leino's overall skill makes him a probable on the team. At least not as a winger. His playing style is a big mismatch with meidän peli. As a centre he could slide in if there is an injury...
We don't have the luxury of picking players that suit our playing style. You pick the best players available and work from there on.

Someone in this thread mentioned dropping Pitkänen from the team. That's probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen posted on this forum. Pitkänen will most likely be our best dman in two years time and people want to drop him because he hasn't shown interest to play in the annual Skoda Cup or doesn't seem Jalonen type guy?

Knowing his injury history, it's the best thing for Finland's national team that he doesn't participate in that irrelevant tournament. He's our only young top-pairing NHL dman and we need him to be fit and ready play in the Olympics. Not only in 2014, but preferably in 2018 and possibly even in 2022 too.

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Pitkänen will most likely be our best dman in two years time and people want to drop him because he hasn't shown interest to play in the annual Skoda Cup or doesn't seem Jalonen type guy?
Let's get something straight. In an earlier post, I didn't say Pitkänen should be dropped. I said he may end up dropped because Jalonen (if still the coach at the time) may opt to build a team that's as cohesive as possible.

Do I think we can afford to drop Pitkänen because he may not be a 100% Meidän Peli compatible guy? No. Do I think Jalonen may have the stones to pull such a move regardless? Yes.


Leino is definitely a subject of similar debate. Skillwise he needs to be in contention, but as far as team cohesiveness go, he becomes a huge maybe. Of course, he's not nearly as essential as Pitkänen, but our pick of forwards still isn't such an embarassment of riches that one could pass him with a simple shrug.

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Let's get something straight. In an earlier post, I didn't say Pitkänen should be dropped. I said he may end up dropped because Jalonen (if still the coach at the time) may opt to build a team that's as cohesive as possible.

Do I think we can afford to drop Pitkänen because he may not be a 100% Meidän Peli compatible guy? No. Do I think Jalonen may have the stones to pull such a move regardless? Yes.


Leino is definitely a subject of similar debate. Skillwise he needs to be in contention, but as far as team cohesiveness go, he becomes a huge maybe. Of course, he's not nearly as essential as Pitkänen, but our pick of forwards still isn't such an embarassment of riches that one could pass him with a simple shrug.
If Jalonen drops Pitkänen or any other obvious choice from the team, I hope that will be his last act as head coach. Like I said in my previous post, we can't afford to drop top-level guys because they can't fit the game plan. Our material simply is not good enough to do that.

It's impossible to say anything about Leino yet. The guy could explode next season and put up 70 points in Buffalo, or if he doesn't put it together, bought out from his contract and out of the league by 2013-2014.

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If Jalonen drops Pitkänen or any other obvious choice from the team, I hope that will be his last act as head coach. Like I said in my previous post, we can't afford to drop top-level guys because they can't fit the game plan. Our material simply is not good enough to do that.
Disagree, on both counts. Firstly, Even if I'm not agreeing with a coach's picks personally, he must have the right to choose and dump whoever he likes as his prerogative. He simply can't work in his best capacity if he has to make compromises due to outside pressure.

Secondly, team cohesiveness and game plan are the very things that constitute success with our national team. There's simply no success without. If we are lucky, we might get another Vancouver; the result will help save some face, but no one in their right mind can be satisfied with the hockey action seen while getting there.


But eh. Save for the general idea behind these two pointers, this is a pretty moot discussion ATM. The team is far from being named, and we don't even know if it's Jalonen or somebody else coaching. To top it off, we're arguing based on principle anyway, since I don't personally think Pitkänen's big enough a problem to deserve the snub.

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Disagree, on both counts. Firstly, Even if I'm not agreeing with a coach's picks personally, he must have the right to choose and dump whoever he likes as his prerogative. He simply can't work in his best capacity if he has to make compromises due to outside pressure.
Definitely agree on this point in general. I just have never been much of a Jalonen fan, so it wouldn't really take a lot for me to call for his head.

There's about 0 % chance of this happening, but we have nothing to lose so I hope we pick as young team as possible. Bolded guys would need a huge year next season and most likely to start the season in the NHL or at least in AHL in 2013-14.

Ruutu - Koivu - Filppula
Jokinen - Granlund - Armia
Teräväinen - Barkov - Leino
Bergenheim - Nokelainen - Korpikoski
Salomäki

Pitkänen - Timonen
Vatanen - Salo
Lydman - Määttä/Ristolainen
Ristolainen/Määttä

Rinne
Lehtonen
Rask

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That offense of yours is going to rock some socks off in a three to four years. But yeah, Sochi? Far too soon.

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Pitkänen - Timonen
Vatanen - Salo
Lydman - Määttä/Ristolainen
Ristolainen/Määttä
Though even if those bolded guys would all skyrocket their careers to best case scenarios, I'd still take offence with this defence. It's far too OD-loaded. Lydman is the only shutdown specialist, though Timonen, Salo and Määttä can go both ways. And even then, you're placing your biggest two-way expectations on two 40-year-old veterans and a rookie. Hardly something anyone would call optimal.

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Here's what I've got currently scoped out.

GK:
Rinne
Rask
Niemi/Lehtonen/Ortio/MattiHöylä/Sulo/whoever

OD:
Pitkänen
Vatanen
--
Timonen
Salo
(Niskala)
(Lepistö)

Let's hope Timonen and Salo are still up for some olympic action. If one declines, Niskala takes his spot. If both, then add also Lepistö. Määttä is a hopeful too, though currently naturally very distant one.

DD:
Lydman
Väänänen
Järvinen

'nuff said. Kukkonen, Jaakola are the obvious stunts but if those three are healthy and willing, no need to look their way.


Forward lines:

1st: Filppula/Granlund - Koivu - Ruutu

2nd: Jokinen/Korpikoski/Bergenheim - Filppula/Granlund - X

3rd: J/K/B - Immonen/Kontiola - J/K/B

4th: Komarov + any 2 of the following:
Kapanen
Nokelainen
Hartikainen
Lajunen
Salomäki
Petrell
Pihlström
Pyörälä


Granlund is pegged either for Koivu's wing or a 2nd line C in Minny, and depending on where he settles in decides the slots between him and Filppula, both are pretty much interchangeable ATM for those roles.

Immonen, Kontiola are candidates for 3rd line C, the actual pick to be determined based on who's in better form by then. Right now, I'd probably pick Kontiola, but we'll see in a year and half.

Behind Ruutu there are Jokinen, Korpikoski and Bergenheim to fill out the top-9 on wing, apart from that X, to which I'll come in a second.

4th line. We know already that Komarov is a lock to make this team, and apart from him, pretty much any of those other listed will do. I'd probably pick Noksu for centre and then one of Hartikainen, Lajunen or Salomäki to bring some youth. Currently Härski is the frontrunner, but that may change in a season and half.


Now, that X... the thing is, what I really want to see there is a true sniper, not some utility forward who aspires to be one. Essentially, it boils down to hoping that either Pulkkinen or Armia has a career season, makes the WHC squad and bends it like Selänne. Fine, let's mention Teräväinen too, just for the sake of mention.

But if not, I suppose we're down to someone like Hagman or Leino. Former appears likely.


So perhaps something like this...

Rinne (Rask)

Pitkänen - Vatanen
Timonen - Salo
Väänänen - Lydman
Järvinen

Filppula - Koivu - Ruutu
Korpikoski - Granlund - Armia
Jokinen - Kontiola - Bergenheim
Komarov - Nokelainen - Hartikainen
Hagman

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So perhaps something like this...

Rinne (Rask)

Pitkänen - Vatanen
Timonen - Salo
Väänänen - Lydman
Järvinen

Filppula - Koivu - Ruutu
Korpikoski - Granlund - Armia
Jokinen - Kontiola - Bergenheim
Komarov - Nokelainen - Hartikainen
Hagman
That's pretty much how it's going to end up looking like IMO. Some wildcards out there like Selänne and Leino who could be included if everything goes well, or in Teemu's case if he continues playing after next season but that's about it. Convincing Olli to return for these Olympics is pretty important as he would be a quite noticeable upgrade at center and would let us switch Granlund to wing. I don't know if he's ready to play center at Olympic-level yet and is probably going to spend his first few seasons as winger in the NHL anyways, but it seems Olli has made his decision and is going to hold on to it.

That defense looks, well let's say Rinne needs to bring his A game if we want to keep our medal-streak going.

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Convincing Olli to return for these Olympics is pretty important as he would be a quite noticeable upgrade at center and would let us switch Granlund to wing. I don't know if he's ready to play center at Olympic-level yet and is probably going to spend his first few seasons as winger in the NHL anyways, but it seems Olli has made his decision and is going to hold on to it.
OJ would be an asset, true. But if Granlund can't centre a line, in my lineup you can also solve that problem by simply switching him and Flip around.

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That defense looks, well let's say Rinne needs to bring his A game if we want to keep our medal-streak going.
I don't get this. Okay, does it look as good on paper as those of our main competitors? No. But is it still very solid, elite-level squad? Yes. Can we afford any injuries to that particular seven though? No.

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