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07-12-2012, 05:09 PM
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Yeah, sorry, I didn't clear that up right; we aren't trading Marleau unless we get a very nice package like that one, which the Habs won't give up.
I have no issue with that. He should be a Shark for life IMO.

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Meh.

He's good, not great IMO.

Sometimes it seems like he's just going through the motions on the ice, really not all that impressed with his passion more oft than not when I watch him.

He also clearly isn't that great of a "leader" and he's benefited from the calibre of team hes played on since the lock out.
Look, he isn't perfect but I like him. Expecting him to be savior would be wrong, but he's a great player. Hit 30+ goals 6 of 7 years after lockout. over 70 points 5 out of 7 years. He's good, no doubt. Is he a superstar? No, but he's a star IMO.

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Look, he isn't perfect but I like him. Expecting him to be savior would be wrong, but he's a great player. Hit 30+ goals 6 of 7 years after lockout. over 70 points 5 out of 7 years. He's good, no doubt. Is he a superstar? No, but he's a star IMO.
Yeah, to me he'd be a good guy to go after in free agency but at this point in his career I can't think of any reason why it'd be worth it to give up any meaningful assets for him.

And if you're San Jose there's no reason to trade him because his value to the team is FAR greater than his value in any trade.

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No way Marleau is leaving...guaranteed...just no way...I really don't think Vlasic would be moved either...and he wouldn't have signed with a full NMC/NTC if he knew he was getting moved.

If anything, I'd like this move

Murray
Ferriero
Clowe

For

Pacioretty
Subban

But I can't predict what's gonna unfold from this rumor...I can really see Pacioretty and Subban with the Sharks, even though there seem to be obvious factors that would lead to them not being moved, so again, I don't actually see it happening, just like I don't see any proposal in this thread happening.

Really because I don't.. It would be in Marc Bergevin's best interest to leave with them since Montreal would probably riot if he dealt away those 2 promising young guys..

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I'm sure you would. I think we should just agree to disagree here because I would never do that if I were habs GM...like ever. Even if you added a 1st and 2nd in 2013.
That's not realistic, but Clowe would be a good fit for you guys come to think of it. Again though, there are few players on Montreal's roster that would fit on the Sharks role and salary wise.

MaxPac, Subban, Plekanec, Eller, Price...

I really dont see anyone else slotting into the Sharks roster anywhere. Not an insult or anything, just bad fits.

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Marleau our highest overall draftpick ever
Pat Falloon.

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Marleau is 32. Hell, NYR fans don't want to put Stephan in a package for Ryan or Nash and we have to put Galchenyuk in for a guy who's older?
Agreed. Makes no sense for the Habs. That being said, I don't know what Montreal can realistically offer for Marleau without mortgaging their future. Have to give to get.

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I'd want Price + Galchenyuk/Patches/Subban for Marleau+Vlasic+Nemo. But I doubt San Jose does it unless it's Price+Subban and if it's Price+Subban Montreal would probably be looking for a new new GM.

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He's close. Could be NHL ready next year at the start or a little bit after. PPG in the AHL. He's not a sexy prospect in MTL. With the emphasis on size and grit taking priority these days, he's not as highly valued for most fans, but still very close and I think a reasonable deal but wouldn't do surprised if sharks fans had no interest, that's fine too.
Back to constructive things...

I would be fine if we made this trade, because it would mean that our scouts believe he is ready and I trust them. I haven't seen him play so all I have to go on are stats and quick blurbs on his development.

edit: trade was Murray for Palushaj

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Pat Falloon.
He was 2nd overall as well (which was total bull btw) so my point stands

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07-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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Really because I don't.. It would be in Marc Bergevin's best interest to leave with them since Montreal would probably riot if he dealt away those 2 promising young guys..
And I can not see Vlasic with the Habs. Please, look at the post I quoted too...it was a blatant mock of an unrealistic post.

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EDIT: But I recall there being reports that SJ wants to get Marleau off their books. Maybe that would lower the price.
That wasn't a report. It was pure commentary and speculation. It offered nothing factual.

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Stop it with mentions of Gally, Subban, or Pacs!

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Back to constructive things...

I would be fine if we made this trade, because it would mean that our scouts believe he is ready and I trust them. I haven't seen him play so all I have to go on are stats and quick blurbs on his development.

edit: trade was Murray for Palushaj
Well yah, on paper looks decent to me. It depends if SJS feels it's a fit or not. It's pretty much as far as this proposal can go unless sharks fans know of palushaj themselves.

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Dman could be Demers, he's French Canadien right?
Vlasic was born in montreal

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Gomez and Kaberle for Marleau and Boyle.

Fair value and most importantly, simple.

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Stop it with mentions of Gally, Subban, or Pacs!
Price then

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Price then
You should be banned for even saying that..

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They resigned Setoguchi right before dealing him as well..


I just don't think the Habs would want to part with the assets required to make the deal.
The Setoguchi thing is not a comparable to this situation. Setoguchi was a restricted free agent with three more seasons to serve before unrestricted status. He was going to be a trade asset to the Sharks for that term whether he was dealt that day, not at all, or at the end of the second season. Vlasic has another year on his current deal and would have been an unrestricted free agent after this year. He chose to re-sign now if DW trades him before his clause comes into effect then there is an issue of trust because he would potentially screw Pickles over by dealing him before the contract starts and the other team opts to not abide by the clause.

I agree the Habs won't want to part with the assets required and there's nothing wrong with that. They're in a different place than Marleau would really benefit them for. If the Habs were on the cusp of gunning for the Cup then I could see them wanting Marleau. But at that point, I don't think they'd make good trading partners because the Sharks would be in the same boat likely looking for the same thing.

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Trading 101, you have to give up pieces of pieces of quality to get pieces of quality back. Plekanec, Weber and a 1st will NOT do it.
You must have skipped value 101 then because those pieces are untouchables, not trade bait. There's nothing that would interest me on SJ to even consider it.

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Not sure if you know this but Pacioretty had more goals and points than Marleau last year in less GP. He also is 9 years younger. That would never ever work.
Pacioretty had 3 more goals and 1 more point in a down year for Marleau based largely on his utilization (Pavelski was Thornton's primary target on that line), but he lacks have Marleau elite speed, defense/PK ability and flexability of playing center or wing. Marleau is the better player right now, but that still doesn't make a trade make any sense.

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I'll put it this way for Sharks fans asking for Pacioretty.. He's our Logan Couture and I'm sure you guys wouldn't want to deal him away except for a massive overpayment..

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Marleau + Boyle + 5th 2013.

for

Plekanec + Y.Weber + Morgan Ellis and 2nd 2013.

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Pacioretty had 3 more goals and 1 more point in a down year for Marleau based largely on his utilization (Pavelski was Thornton's primary target on that line), but he lacks have Marleau elite speed, defense/PK ability and flexability of playing center or wing. Marleau is the better player right now, but that still doesn't make a trade make any sense.
Agreed but this is pacioretty's 1st full NHL season. So you'd imagine he has upside left.

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He was 2nd overall as well (which was total bull btw) so my point stands
The Faloon pick was not a bad pick; he was developed awfully. I bet if we picked Scott Niedermayer instead, Pat Faloon would be in the HHOF as a superstar, while Niedermayer would have gone down a similar path of Faloon's real path. Faloon had a lot of talent; this organization handled him badly. There was nothing wrong with the pick...

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