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07-12-2012, 05:13 PM
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The Faloon pick was not a bad pick; he was developed awfully. I bet if we picked Scott Niedermayer instead, Pat Faloon would be in the HHOF as a superstar, while Niedermayer would have gone down a similar path of Faloon's real path. Faloon had a lot of talent; this organization handled him badly. There was nothing wrong with the pick...
The bull part of that was that the Sharks didn't select first like they should have.

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The Faloon pick was not a bad pick; he was developed awfully. I bet if we picked Scott Niedermayer instead, Pat Faloon would be in the HHOF as a superstar, while Niedermayer would have gone down a similar path of Faloon's real path. Faloon had a lot of talent; this organization handled him badly. There was nothing wrong with the pick...
I meant the being screwed out of the Eric Lindros

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07-12-2012, 05:14 PM
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from a fan POV, habs/sharks are a terrible fit... habs fans don't value Marleau anywhere near what Sharks fans expect to get for him, Sharks fans don't value habs top assets anywhere near their worth to the organization.

that said,

to Mtl
Marleau
Murray


to SJ
Eller
2013 2nd (highest of the 3 MTL owns)
2013 3rd or one of Palushaj/Geoffrion/Kristo
Bourque
Kaberle


habs get:
- quality top-line forward
- gritty bottom-3 dman

Sharks get
- talented young top-9 forward (he's a C, but used effectively as a W at the World Championships... could be used in either role)
- 2 picks
- puck moving/PP LHD
- top-9 winger with goal scoring ability
~1M$ in cap space


basically
Marleau = Eller/Kaberle/2nd/3rd
Murray = Bourque

quantity for quality, although Eller represents an asset who could develop into "quality" quite quickly.


imagine sharks fans response will be negative, but I don't really see any other assets that montreal would give up in a deal for Marleau (eller/picks being the "high" end).
I could see DW figuring that Kaberle/Bourque/Eller will offset the drop in offensive production from losing Marleau, just a question of wether the picks + Eller's future potential are enough incentive to make the deal.

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07-12-2012, 05:16 PM
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from a fan POV, habs/sharks are a terrible fit... habs fans don't value Marleau anywhere near what Sharks fans expect to get for him, Sharks fans don't value habs top assets anywhere near their worth to the organization.

that said,

to Mtl
Marleau
Murray


to SJ
Eller
2013 2nd (highest of the 3 MTL owns)
2013 3rd or one of Palushaj/Geoffrion/Kristo
Bourque
Kaberle



habs get:
- quality top-line forward
- gritty bottom-3 dman

Sharks get
- talented young top-9 forward (he's a C, but used effectively as a W at the World Championships... could be used in either role)
- 2 picks
- puck moving/PP LHD
- top-9 winger with goal scoring ability
~1M$ in cap space


basically
Marleau = Eller/Kaberle/2nd/3rd
Murray = Bourque

quantity for quality, although Eller represents an asset who could develop into "quality" quite quickly.


imagine sharks fans response will be negative, but I don't really see any other assets that montreal would give up in a deal for Marleau (eller/picks being the "high" end).
I could see DW figuring that Kaberle/Bourque/Eller will offset the drop in offensive production from losing Marleau, just a question of wether the picks + Eller's future potential are enough incentive to make the deal.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, I would not want either of those guys if you gave them to us free. Kaberle because we have no use for him (he is not a 3rd pairing guy and cant be paired with Boyle/Burns) and Borque because he is overpaid and incredibly inconsistent.

So you are basically asking us to trade Marleau for Eller and some picks (not even a first).

Keep in mind, if we were shopping Marleau for real he could and would be a 1st line center on quite a few teams, some of whom are absolutely desperate for a #1c of any kind. We would get much better offers.

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07-12-2012, 05:20 PM
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habs fans don't value Marleau anywhere near what Sharks fans expect to get for him, Sharks fans don't value habs top assets anywhere near their worth to the organization.
Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but in other words, Sharks fans overvalue our assets and undervalue Montreal's assets? Montreal fans are "do-know-wrong" perfect value gaugers?

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07-12-2012, 05:22 PM
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The bull part of that was that the Sharks didn't select first like they should have.
That's true...

Man, the NHL would be a lot different if we picked Lindros. He wouldn't have played that game where he got concussed by Stevens. We would have been much better off as a franchise. :/ Oh well. It's the NHL.

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07-12-2012, 05:23 PM
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Ok first off marleau as ntc and second he doesnt wanna play in mtl third its a EKLUND RUMOR

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Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but in other words, Sharks fans overvalue our assets and undervalue Montreal's assets? Montreal fans are "do-know-wrong" perfect value gaugers?
I think he's saying we value our own players more than others do. I personally value Subban like a franchise d-man, although he isn't one yet. Why? Because he can be one and he's our closest chance to one. While another team might say "Sure, he's got potential, but he's not there yet". It's just a matter of perspective really. I also don't think habs NEED Marleau as we're not contenders and as such, the amount we're willing to give isn't in tune to what he's actually worth.

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07-12-2012, 05:30 PM
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I think he's saying we value our own players more than others do. I personally value Subban like a franchise d-man, although he isn't one yet. Why? Because he can be one and he's our closest chance to one. While another team might say "Sure, he's got potential, but he's not there yet". It's just a matter of perspective really. I also don't think habs NEED Marleau as we're not contenders and as such, the amount we're willing to give isn't in tune to what he's actually worth.
A bird in the hand, we get it.

The only way I see Subban moved is if there is truth to the rumors of his 'issues'. In that situation it MIGHT make some sense, but that's a lot of if's.

Point is, we are pretty bad trading partners, I think that's clear. Our best available assets are Pavelski, Clowe, Demers, Murray, Niemi... And what we need is top-6 wingers and 3rd line producers.

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07-12-2012, 05:32 PM
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Marleau + Boyle + 5th 2013.

for

Plekanec + Y.Weber + Morgan Ellis and 2nd 2013.
The downgrade from Marleau to Plekanec isn't worth the Downgrade from Boyle to Weber...

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Can't see the Sharks trading Vlasic after he just signed with them. I could see a blockbuster of something like:

Marleau & Boyle

for

Pacioretty & Subban

Sharks get some young blood in the lineup, Habs get experience and leadership.
lol yeah. What an awesome deal that would be for a rebuilding team.

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07-12-2012, 05:37 PM
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Price, Subban, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk will not be involved in any trade

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07-12-2012, 05:38 PM
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How about
Mtl brian gionta
Tomas pleckanec
Danny kristo
Rene bourque
Tomas kaberle
2013 2nd rounder
Y weber

Sj
Patrick marleau
Ryan clowe
Douglas murray
Ben ferriero

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How about
Mtl brian gionta
Tomas pleckanec
Danny kristo
Rene bourque
Tomas kaberle
2013 2nd rounder
Y weber

Sj
Patrick marleau
Ryan clowe
Douglas murray
Ben ferriero
wow


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How about
Mtl brian gionta
Tomas pleckanec
Danny kristo
Rene bourque
Tomas kaberle
2013 2nd rounder
Y weber

Sj
Patrick marleau
Ryan clowe
Douglas murray
Ben ferriero
Seriously you can take Borque, Kaberle, and Weber out, we really have no interest in any of them.

And no.

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How about
Mtl brian gionta
Tomas pleckanec
Danny kristo
Rene bourque
Tomas kaberle
2013 2nd rounder
Y weber

Sj
Patrick marleau
Ryan clowe
Douglas murray
Ben ferriero
I don't know how anyone can be taken seriously with something like this...



.. Ben Ferriero is UFA. Seriously man, get it together!

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07-12-2012, 05:53 PM
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Marleau+Vlasic

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Price+Gorges+Gomez

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Marleau+Vlasic

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Price+Gorges+Gomez
Oh man, this is going downhill fast...

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Agreed but this is pacioretty's 1st full NHL season. So you'd imagine he has upside left.
No doubt he has upside left, which is great for the Hab's. But IMO he would be a step backwards for the Shark's during their window (basically the next 2 years). That is the context in which I said the trade wouldn't make any sense.

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07-12-2012, 05:57 PM
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hahahah I agree man none of this is gonna happen

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For Marleau and Vlasic I would trade Galenchyuck, Subban plus
Obviously you haven't given a moment's consideration to age, salary, and the cap, not to mention potential.

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A bird in the hand, we get it.

The only way I see Subban moved is if there is truth to the rumors of his 'issues'. In that situation it MIGHT make some sense, but that's a lot of if's.

Point is, we are pretty bad trading partners, I think that's clear. Our best available assets are Pavelski, Clowe, Demers, Murray, Niemi... And what we need is top-6 wingers and 3rd line producers.
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No doubt he has upside left, which is great for the Hab's. But IMO he would be a step backwards for the Shark's during their window (basically the next 2 years). That is the context in which I said the trade wouldn't make any sense.
I agree with both of you, the only trade I bothered proposing is a top 9 prospect who is near NHL ready(if not already) for Murray. A see minor deals as possibilities, not really big scale ones.

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What would SJ want for just Murray?
I like Murray a lot. Still though, he's not enough by himself to get the team what they really would want (decent speed, forechecking top 6 sniper wings... like Setoguchi). If the Sharks move him by himself, it's to open up cap room.

My guess is the Sharks would want pics/prospects/RFA's or other movable assets at the trade deadline.

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07-12-2012, 06:18 PM
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Marleau+Vlasic

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Price+Gorges+Gomez
Sounds good!

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