Fine, I can accept that statistically speaking, I can't declare a trend yet. I can steal from Bob and point out that Holland has been visiting the scrap heap for the past three years.
What I don't understand is why.
This is the first time the Wings have had enough cap space to go for big free agents.
Last year was putrid in the free agency department.
Tootoo gives DET grit on their 4th line that we haven't seen in sometime. I don't like the contract he got because of the $$ or the length. 2 yrs $1.2-1.5 max I would have been ok with.
A weak top six with average defense and a 4th line with grit doesnt get you anything. I view it as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Wont change anything in the long run.
I do think it's a solid pickup, but solid pickups dont cut it with this roster.
A weak top six with average defense and a 4th line with grit doesnt get you anything. I view it as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Wont change anything in the long run.
I do think it's a solid pickup, but solid pickups dont cut it with this roster.
I do like the pickup as well and agree that if it's one of only 3 pickups that DET does htis offseason then we are in trouble. But it's only July 12th so let's give it some time and see how things pan out.
I do like the pickup as well and agree that if it's one of only 3 pickups that DET does htis offseason then we are in trouble. But it's only July 12th so let's give it some time and see how things pan out.
There isnt anything left of value in the FA market.
There isnt anything left of value in the FA market.
Doan is never coming to Detroit
Wings are apparently too good for Semin.
I dont see Ken Holland making a trade ever again.
Even if DET added BOTH Doan and Semin they aren't going to get very far in the playoffs with the blue line we currently have. Signing both of them to let's say 1 year contracts is similar to putting a band aid on a shotgun wound. I'd rather see him sign Roszival to add to the blue line and let the youngsters get the experience that they need to.
Even if DET added BOTH Doan and Semin they aren't going to get very far in the playoffs with the blue line we currently have. Signing both of them to let's say 1 year contracts is similar to putting a band aid on a shotgun wound.
Signing Semin to 4-5 year contract would be good. He would still be in his early 30's when/if the prospects panned out. Doan is a worthless signing.
As for grabbing both, it would be nice just because the team would be more entertaining to watch.
I do not find fault with your reasoning in arriving to your conclusion based on the evidence we have. I'm saying that none of us have actual proof of what the Wings knew, when and if they would have gone further. I can surmise that they told the agents that was their final offer using the same rationale you do.
@Fugu
Is this where I should post the definition of condescending in response to you?
Of course we don't have actual proof of what the Wings know/knew. We can only go by the professionals who cover the team, and the one YOU posted to back up the claim that the Wings had a chance to match says they didn't.
I'm not surmising one way or another whether the Wings did or didn't get to match Minnesota's offer.
I'm saying the article you posted as evidence they did, says the exact opposite.
Is this where I should post the definition of condescending in response to you?
Of course we don't have actual proof of what the Wings know/knew. We can only go by the professionals who cover the team, and the one YOU posted to back up the claim that the Wings had a chance to match says they didn't.
I'm not surmising one way or another whether the Wings did or didn't get to match Minnesota's offer.
I'm saying the article you posted as evidence they did, says the exact opposite.
I'm not trying to be condescending, Flashy. You're around enough that I thought you knew some of these shots are more in jest than an attempt to denigrate.
I'll concede the article isn't absolute/objective proof, but I will stand by my interpretation of it that that is the implication. I can't prove it to you because you choose to read the same info and interpret it differently. So be it.
Where I did object was that the absence of my ability to prove something to you definitively was proof that the opposite was true. We really don't know until/unless Holland sets the record straight on what he bid, when, and if he made a bottom line offer.
Noon: Parise returns to the Twin Cities from his agents’ offices outside Toronto, still in “decision-making mode,” according to his agent, Wade Arnott. Shortly after noon, Parise’s and Suter’s camps inform the Wild the players are looking for 13-year, $98 million deals — they want to stay under $100 million to avoid the stigma of a nine-figure contract and to give the Wild more money to spend on other players — and ask if those figures would be acceptable. “We said, ‘We’re in. We’re fine with that,’” Leipold said. “(Before that), it was a very tenuous place to be. We didn’t want to upset either side. It wasn’t until the two guys got together and said, ‘This is it. This is no longer us individually,’ that things picked up.”
And then...
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They’re the ones who, quite honestly, took control of this process. They drove the deal, they decided what they wanted to play for, what was equitable. In coming together, they told their sides, ‘This is deal we want. We’re going together in Minnesota.’
The article also implies that both NJ and Nashville didn't find out about this until it was a done deal. Poile was upset by this fact. Lou took it much better.
The article also implies that both NJ and Nashville didn't find out about this until it was a done deal. Poile was upset by this fact. Lou took it much better.
“(I’m) not only disappointed but very surprised. Over the last year I’ve had literally, 20, 30, 40 conversations with Ryan and his representative, mostly with Ryan about our desire to sign him to a long-term deal and the importance to the predators hockey club.”
So Poile was surprised. Doesn't sound like a guy who was told he could outbid the competition...
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“He told me it was for family reasons. I guess that’s where the disappointment comes in.
Ah, family! Not some bidding war. Weird how everything from Minnesota, NJ, and Nashville keeps pointing that direction.
The article also implies that both NJ and Nashville didn't find out about this until it was a done deal. Poile was upset by this fact. Lou took it much better.
Still doesn't prove what the Wings knew, what they bid, and what was communicated about that bid. What we do know is the Suter only let two teams visit him-- Minnesota and Detroit. No idea what Poile is trying to say, but he shouldn't have been surprised. Every GM knows once the guy hits UFA on July 1, he's likely gone.
Still doesn't prove what the Wings knew, what they bid, and what was communicated about that bid. What we do know is the Suter only let two teams visit him-- Minnesota and Detroit.
Did you really think I am ever going to prove anything to you?
I could get a signed document from Suter himself and you'd just say he was being polite.
Ehrhoff was average last year. We would not have signed Ian White if we signed Ehrhoff, so we would be in the same situation we are now.
Ehrhoff had a miserable year on a miserable team and he still scored the same amount of points as whites career year. Ehrhoff is better than white by a wide margin.
Ehrhoff had a miserable year on a miserable team and he still scored the same amount of points as whites career year. Ehrhoff is better than white by a wide margin.
Ehrhoff never hit FA IIRC. Buffalo acquired his rights and signed him.
2012: Yeah well if we had signed Ehrhoff we wouldn't have signed White.
What a difference a year makes.
Look, if these 10-12-year year deals are so damn precious, then when in the hell did we give one to Johan Franzen, who was 29 years old with less than 100-career goals to his name.
If they were so precious, then why did we also offer a 10+ year deal to Hossa the same year, for a grand total of 3 lifetime contracts in a single year?
Holland is floating half-baked ideas right now to the press, ideas that, in practice, he doesn't have much regard for.
The people doggedly defending Holland's offseason are the same guys who in 2011 said, "Don't sign Cole. We need our money for the trade deadline" or "we need our money for next year's UFA, which is much better."
Now these same people don't even bother looking forward, as they are finally learning that when it comes to opportunity, there is no such thing as next year, or the trade deadline. Now their argument is... they really don't have an argument.
