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Erik Johnson

View Poll Results: How many points do you think EJ puts up this season?
Less than 25 18 16.36%
25-30 16 14.55%
31-35 39 35.45%
36-40 22 20.00%
More than 40 15 13.64%
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07-12-2012, 04:12 PM
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Erik Johnson

Alright, I guess continuing with the whole 'threads dedicated to our poorly viewed players' trend, I have done one for EJ. Sorry if these player specific threads are annoying, but I've wanted to do one about Johnson's career for a while now.

Now obviously Erik Johnson's development is independent of the numbers of other players so it really doesn't mean much, but nevertheless this is to point out where EJ is in his career compared to where some of the other big defencemen were.

**This is strictly a statistical comparison.**

Seems many people believe Johnson has largely underachieved in his career, which would be a fair statement given what he appears capable of. However, going strictly by points, an area in which many people seem to think EJ shows no potential in growing, here is Johnson compared to Burns, Chara, Pronger, Seabrook, and Weber. I chose these players because they are also large, two-way defencemen.

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|GP | Goals | Assits| Points | +/- |
Johnson | 298 | 27 | 100 | 127 | -28 |
Chara | 306 | 16 | 36 | 52 | -31 |
Pronger | 281 | 28 | 76 | 104 |-18 |
Burns | 326 | 35 | 82 | 117 | 4 |
Seabrook | 314 | 26 | 88| 114 | 35 |
Weber | 320 | 62 | 102 | 164 | 16 |
So at this stage in their careers, the only player from that list with more points is Weber. Johnson and Pronger's career also started the earliest at 19, the other four players started at age 20. Now whether Johnson puts it all together and takes his play to the level those other defencemen are on is a different question, but I believe this would show that it is now out of the question for Johnson to put up a 45+, heck even a 50 point season in his prime. So far all the other defencemen have career highs at ~50 points, except Pronger who has hit 62 points. There is a lot more to their play at this point than just points, but at roughly the 300 game mark Johnson has averaged more points per game than Pronger, Chara, Seabrook, and Burns. So I wouldn't be so quick to write this guy off as an Eric Brewer (Jon Klemm?) 2.0, 30-35 point defenceman. It's not unrealistic for his numbers to increase greatly still.

Now looking at him individually from this past season, I think all would agree that he made great strides between the first 20 games of the season, and his final 50 after he returned from the groin injury.

I broke down this last season into 2 parts, and projected it over 82 games just to show how his game improved, especially his aggression.

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First 21 games:
Gp-21 | G-0 | A-8 | Pts-8 | +/- (-12) | Hits-23 | GVA-19 | TA-11


Projected over 82 games:
Gp-82 | G-0 | A-31 | Pts-31 | +/- (-47) | Hits-90 | GVA-74 | TA-43 |
Then his injury happened which most would agree was the turning point in his season. He played 52 games after that, but I'm not including the 2 games where he left right away.

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Last 50 games:
Gp-50 | G-4 | A-14 | Pts-18 | +/- (+5) | Hits-101| GVA-25 | TA-24 |
Projected over 82 games:
Gp-82 | G-7 | A-23 | Pts-30 | +/- (+8) | Hits- 166| GVA-41 | TA-39 |
There is a big difference in goals, +/-, and hits. He took the puck away a little less, but gave it away almost half as much.

All the Blues fans told us that consistency has been a big problem in EJ's game, and we have definitely experienced that. On the bright side of this, Johnson's play was strongest over the last 70 percent of the season, so were not exactly hoping for him to rebound, but instead continue his play from last season. Personally, I would be pleased with a 160+ hits, combined with a positive +/- and 30 points for the upcoming season. Which is the pace he played at for the final 50 games. These are very Seabrook esque numbers.

Like I said, this is just comparing stats and there is way more to it than that. I guess my point here is that while he didn't quite live up to our expectations this last season, don't give up on his potential quite yet, as he seems to be right in line with the other big defencemen (other than Weber who got really good really fast).

Lastly, lets hope for an injury free season for him. It seems when he is healthy, Sacco has no problem playing him 24+ minutes a night. Johnson has played 95 games in an Avs uniform and has played 24+ minutes a game 26 times. Keep in mind it was reported that for a large part of last season he had a bad back, which could explain the lower toi/game.

Hopefully this is the year he truly breaks out. I'd also like to see him permanently get the 'A' on his sweater.



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07-12-2012, 04:22 PM
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36-40

I expect big things from him next season.

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I expect a 7g 24a 31p season from him... hoping for the 10g 30a 40p sort of season.

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31-35 but I feel like this depends more on who is paired with him because I think there's a huge lack of talent in that first pairing spot.

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Depends on if the refs keep shafting us when it comes to PP opportunities.

Also depends on who his partner will be.

I hope for 35-40

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25-30

Have you guys seen who he's going to be paired up with

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31-35 With solid defense.

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Last year offensively was not what I expected, I'm pretty sure he got more then half of his goals in a span of 4 games. I would be very happy if he can hit 10g 30 assists.

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Way too many variables to even guess. If he played 25+ minutes a night like he is capable of, then he should get to 40. My guess is that Sacco gives him 22 a night and he gets 30-35.

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Way too many variables to even guess. If he played 25+ minutes a night like he is capable of, then he should get to 40. My guess is that Sacco gives him 22 a night and he gets 30-35.
Reading this makes me hate Sacco all over again.

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I voted only 25-30 only because I feel he wont have a partner to let his game flourish. I expect much more in the future

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Also gotta think if Sacco isn't a moron and we aren't hit with injuries in the back end Johnson should be manning the power play as much as possible.

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Also gotta think if Sacco isn't a moron and we aren't hit with injuries in the back end Johnson should be manning the power play as much as possible.
This is where I wish we still had Liles. Johnson could skate it from behind the net to the red line, drop pass, and then Liles would just cruise in. Instead it was Mueller/Elliott bobbling it every time he dropped it in the neutral zone.

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This is where I wish we still had Liles. Johnson could skate it from behind the net to the red line, drop pass, and then Liles would just cruise in. Instead it was Mueller/Elliott bobbling it every time he dropped it in the neutral zone.
Funwick

Seriously though Matt played well last year. Not ideal but he has the wheels to gain the zone with ease. Then once we set up he can gtfo.

I think/hope we'll see a much improved Stef Elliott. He's a smart guy and I think he'll have seen the areas that need work and how to read NHL plays better. Plus another offseason of strengthening and bulking up should help.

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**** that. Hunwick should be our #1 D this year.

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Reading this makes me hate Sacco all over again.
You realize those extra minutes generally go to powerplay time... time which the Avs never got last season.

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I think/hope we'll see a much improved Stef Elliott. He's a smart guy and I think he'll have seen the areas that need work and how to read NHL plays better. Plus another offseason of strengthening and bulking up should help.

I'll be surprised if Elliott makes it out of camp. I hope he's better and improved, but if I was a betting man I wouldn't put money on him being in the NHL this year until there's an injury.

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I'll be surprised if Elliott makes it out of camp. I hope he's better and improved, but if I was a betting man I wouldn't put money on him being in the NHL this year until there's an injury.
I think Sacco's love for the lefty-righty setup plus a lack of PMD may see him squeek out a spot on the third pairing.

Hejda-Johnson
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I think Sacco's love for the lefty-righty setup plus a lack of PMD may see him squeek out a spot on the third pairing.

Hejda-Johnson
Wilson-ROB
Zanon/SOB-Elliott
Yeah we will see. If there's one thing Elliott's got going for him, it's that he is a righty. Zanon seems like a perfect fit on the team for him if he does come up.

I know Sacco loves him on the PP. I noticed in almost all of the games that Elliott was up that he was the designated point guard on the PP. Everybody just gave him the puck and he skated it across the blue line. It was as if Sacco had demanded it.

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**** that. Hunwick should be our #1 D this year.
Hunwick will be this team's #1 D until the end of time

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Hunwick will be this team's #1 D until the end of time
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We'll probably see Barrie before we see Elliott again. Stef just isn't even close to good enough defensively while Barrie looked solid. Plus Barrie was settling in and getting better during his stint, while Elliott was getting mroe and more ineffective.

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